Dottie's Snarky Again

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Dottie's Snarky Again

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Hey all,

It's been a month since our recent move, but it does not seem that long. I can't believe how well the girls coped with it all, though. Even Dottie was an amazingly calm and chilled out dog in comparison with our interstate move one year ago! She was even following us in and out of the house, to the moving van, and even climbed up inside the trailer to be with us, rather than hiding in a corner and quivering like before!

But apparently she is indeed beginning to show some delayed stress response after all. She will approach my sons, asking for love and touching, and be enjoying it, then suddenly without warning she will decide she's had enough and snap at their hands. They are polite enough to immediately withdraw-- then they apologize in soothing tones and back slowly away. (I've trained them well, yes?) Nevertheless, this behavior is disconcerting. Last night Dottie was sprawled out on the living room carpet. My son just wanted to step across the room to pick up his book, and there was only a couple of inches on either side by which to pass Dottie's body. (We now live in a mobile home, which is considerably smaller than the farm house we had before) When she woke up and growled at him, he stopped and tried to soothe her. I also tried to call her over to me, as a diversion. However, she would not come to me, and preferred to hold her position. When my son tried once again to move past her, she snapped at his leg, growling. He did manage to get his book without harm, but still....

I simply do not know what has become of her. Her perplexing behavior is increasing to the point that I am concerned. I am the only person who is permitted to touch her when she is resting. I am the only person whom she is never ever snarky with. Don't get me wrong, she enjoys the other family members to give her affection too-- just on her terms, and she ends those terms suddenly and without warning.

What do you think? Could this be a delayed stress response from our recent move? And why is it that I am the only family member with carte blanche privileges with her? Last night she slept all night with her head on my chest. Every time I tried to move my arms, she would raise her head and wait for me to stop moving, then put her head back on my chest. (sigh) It was delicious, I must admit. I'm able to reach up from under the covers and caress her while she sleeps. Even if she is napping with her head on my son's lap, sometimes she may get upset if he tries to stroke her, and sometimes she just sprawls onto her back and begs for more.

The other night Dottie and I were both sleeping outside on the front porch, as the weather was so balmy. Dottie does sleep very deeply, and so startles easily. She apparently had a nightmare, woke suddenly, and started barking. I brought her inside.

Granted, our sleeping arrangements since our move have had to change just a bit: Mr. Fundog is now employed as a Security Officer at the neighboring casino, on the graveyard shift. And in our new bedroom the positions of our beds does not permit a cozy corner next to my bed for Dottie. Dottie does, however, still have her cozy little den under the big desk in the living room.

We do have a nice fully fenced yard, albeit a slightly smaller one than we had at our previous home. And we have a lovely enclosed front porch that opens from the front door and includes open access to the back yard. I enjoy having the girls join me on the porch while I read on the swing. And they enjoy simply sleeping out there when it becomes too warm for them inside, or even basking in the warm morning sunshine.

We are also within walking distance to our new "rabbit hills," where I can let the girls off-lead to run and splash through the stream, and get thoroughly muddy and blissfully exhausted. :lol:

But I don't understand why she gets so snarky with my other family members, or how to teach her to tell us nicely when she has had enough attention, rather than automatically snapping. If anyone has any ideas, I'd love to hear it. Thanks. 8)
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Re: Dottie's Snarky Again

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MMMMMMMM if you have found a good vet it would be worth a thorough physical check. Might just be insecurity of course, and with her background that's going to be extra nervewracking for her. The Bach Remedy site might give you some guidance - probably would mention Walnut for Change of Circumstances, maybe some others.

The new place sounds lovely :D poor Mr. F. doing the graveyard shift - I remember it well :roll: - but at least it is useful for space in a smaller home.
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Re: Dottie's Snarky Again

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Thank you, Nettle. I'll see what more we can try to soothe and calm her, and help her get more settled in our new home. Another difference in this new place is, being in a mobile home park (at least one person in each household is an employee of the casino), with a lot of families, there are a lot of neighbors/foot traffic, maintenance trucks, and children going past all day and evening. Dottie is not used to this, and I can see that it has her a bit on edge. She is getting better, but slowly. We are conscientious about bringing her back inside when she starts shouting.

On a lighter note, last night Mr. Fundog and I were discussing the issue. I mentioned how I wished Dottie would at least warn us when she's had enough touching, and Mr. Fundog replied, "But that IS a warning." :lol: My, how far he's come from just a few months ago. :lol:

In contrast, when Annie has had enough loving, she will raise a paw and literally push us away, or she will heave this huge woeful sigh. (Oh, what a burden she has in life, taking all this love and affection, lol) We get the message and leave her alone. Annie is NEVER snarky. She is simply too sweet and tolerant. How can we teach Dottie to be more... erm... tactful in her own indications of having enough touching? (Truth is, she never has been-- we are just very quick to back off when she growls) The real problem is when she seems to be enjoying the touching, or asking for more touching, then growls and snaps.

I have, however, been thinking about whether perhaps Dottie's early signals are too subtle, and we are missing them. When the boys are stroking her, I've been watching her lips and eyes for indicators-- the rest of her body language seems to say, "more, please," while I'm wondering if her mouth and eyes might be saying the opposite. Ever seen this before? Ever seen people get confused and misunderstand what their dogs are saying, despite seeming to know their dogs very well?
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Re: Dottie's Snarky Again

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Well maybe instruct the boys to just give a few strokes when she comes for lovin & & lv her wanting more. It might be a noise she hears, or a shadow she sees & not necessarily the overdose of love who knows for sure, but if she gets smaller doses & has more time to adjust her snarkiness may decrease.
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Re: Dottie's Snarky Again

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Fundog, you and your family are just awesome! :D

It is unlikely that anyone can instal tact and diplomacy in a dog that (before she came to you) had to shout to be heard, and even then it probably didn't work.

I think the family may well be missing the subtler signals - corners of lips moving and whiskers standing out from the muzzle are big signs to a dog - but I'd go with what maximoo says - less is more, and keeping her on not quite enough lovin' from the rest of the family will make her want more. Like if someone were to give us a quick hug that's okay, but if they then kept on and on and weren't a Significant Other, we'd be liable to get antsy and say GET OFF ME NOW.

It's hard when she is soliciting attention but of course she can't say how much she actually wants :wink:
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Re: Dottie's Snarky Again

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Okay, well the update may be rather premature, but we have already begun limiting the touching to just a little bit, then stop unless she nuzzles her nose against us, demanding more. Then it's just a little, back off, and wait for the nose nudge.... Meanwhile I've been watching her closely for other very subtle clues that she's had enough: tightening of the lips around the mouth, change in position of the legs as if she's thinking about getting up, widening of the eyes, etc. I instruct the boys to back off if I see any of these very subtle cues. So far, no snarks in 24 hours. :)

A couple of more things worth mentioning, that I only remembered last night: recently one of Dottie's ears got a bit clogged up and sore with dirt after romping through the hills. I've cleaned and treated the ear, and it is much better, but that could very well be a contributing factor to her crankiness, in addition to the stress of moving.

And Dottie very much enjoys classical music. Her favorite composer seems to be Mozart (my son's personal favorite is Tchaikovsky, so his assessment may be without bias after all). She does enjoy spending large chunks of time on my son's bed while he has classical music playing, and this seems to have a therapeutically calming effect on her. So this morning we joined my son in his room over coffee and listened to some Bach piano recitals. 8) Perhaps Dottie needs to start all of her mornings out this way. It's good for the soul, and the psyche. :wink:

Thank you, Nettle and Maximoo for the ideas and the encouragement. It is as I suspected, and we will just exercise more patience and "group therapy" with our little Dottie Monster. :D
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Re: Dottie's Snarky Again

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Thats a good update - you know there are days I wish *I* was one of your dogs!
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Re: Dottie's Snarky Again

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Emmabeth, that is so funny, considering who you are, and how you care for *your* dogs. :lol:

Sorry it's taken me so long to get back here-- I still have to rely on the library for internet, and that is when my work hours and the library's open hours (which are extremely limited) just happen to coincide. :roll:

Anyway: I'm pleased to report the issues we were having have been sorted and resolved. :D Aaaaand.... I noticed the last couple of evenings, when Dottie Monster has had enough loving, not only are the boys watching more closely for signs to back off, they do, then Dottie gets up and walks away. (sigh) I was worried she would never figure out to do just that. 8)
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