Can't WAIT for the US version

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:49 pm

I just regestered cause I saw they are going to let her loose in the US.

Seriously I can't wait...

I moved here from Sweden 2 years ago, I work with positive reinforcement, clicker, concistensy and do a lot of basic obedience training and socialisation not to mention exercise with all my dogs or dogs that I get in.

I have worked as a trainer but over here I got nuts, people have called and asked how to make their 1 year old hunting dog mix calmer without having to exercise it, they belive that a dog is getting enough by jumping around in the yard for an hour and they do not use any consistensy and worse they don't listen and they don't apply shown methods DESPITE shown that it's working.. All they want is a quick 45 minute fix just like their fast food... I can't WAIT to see Victoria bring out her whip on these sort of people seriously I will be benched with a big bag of chips on Saturday!!!

GO VICTORIA!!!

lablver2 · Post by **lablver2** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:01 pm

I can't wait either. I hope I see some California pups because I live here and some of the owners I have met are just wow. I mean we have plenty of good dog owners then we have handfuls of just owners that are sort of out there. Especially in the desert which is where I go alot. Some of those owners need to get a talking to.

I know plenty of people are going to watch. I know my neighbors are because they don't understand why I don't like Cesar Millan.

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:09 pm

Oh I know.. there is a few good ones but so many that have just no clue, and please don't get me started on Cesar Millan.. *lol*

When Im out with friends and someone mentiones him, my friends grab me, put their hand in front of my mouth and drag me away...

I will be benched on Saturday!!

lablver2 · Post by **lablver2** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:31 pm

One of my neighbors who are good friends with me said "You are like the female version of the dog whisperer. Belgian just listens so well to you" I said you got one out of 2 right. Belgian does listen well to me but don't even get me started on that so called Dog whisperer.

Yea I don't like the guy at all. It's funny because out of the 2 dog trainers on TV my neighbor follows Cesar and I follow Victoria. My dog is not only better behaved but less aggresive. Belgian also knows tricks. My neighbors dog is now food, pssstion and quick movement aggresive, only knows sit and gives a paw. I hate Cesar and he dislike Victoria. I just find it very interesting though comparing the two dogs. I actually love his dog and play and watch him all the time even though he's bit me twice.

LOL I still crack up.

Yea don't start me on cesar either. But yes I can not wait for the US season

ckranz · Post by **ckranz** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:10 am

Actually it should depend on which dog whisperer they are referring too. Before Ceaser there was another guy Paul Owen who does a lot more positive based training. He was actually before Ceaser.

He is also the author of the puppy whisperer as well.

If they are referring to him I'd take it as a compliment....Wow I no longer feel the lonely guy in +R based training

lablver2 · Post by **lablver2** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:53 am

Nope they are talking about Cesar Millan. I am the dog nut on my street and they are always thinking Cesar is right until I try and explain no. Then a whole debate goes on.

Actually I have been told that Victoria's methods only work for me because I have alb and you can get lab to do anything. Yes labs are easy to train but they can be quite a stubborn breed too to work with.

Cesar's methods according to them are for tougher breeds like bull terriers and pitbulls who need stronger leadership.

They are totally full of dog poop it's not even funny.

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:53 am

hahahaha tlablvr then you can tell your neighbour that you know this crazy swedish gal that has dealt with dobermans, rotts, pits, german shepherds and mixes in between (I take in a whole lot of aggressive(fearful) dogs that needs fostering, evaluation and training before chaning homes), and I ONLY use positive reinforcement, however I do correct a dog but usually not harsh or much (I don't know how to describe it).

Usually I do no training with the hotdog and pass it on the floor and tell the dog no so they learn what it means and when they lunge later on for another dog or what they are aggressive on I usually tell them no, walk the other way and when they break the contact and behavior and give me a quick look I click and praise for the contact intiative and give them treat (hope that makes sence)

When you have a possible biter and that dog is 130 lbs?! OMG!! I mean, more than once have I been tempted to bring Mr Millan to this house and let him deal with Midnight I know he would be attacked within 20 minutes of handeling him and it would give me a good laugh.. You can't alpharoll them seriously, all that gives you is a more anxious dog that just sits there and waits on being attacked hence he attack first..

and the positive reinforcement is the absolute BEST way to create a very stable and loving dog, they become secure in themself and it shows, I have used both methods (the punnible one before I knew better when I was between 19-21) so I know the difference for sure in my own way. There is a truth to the show me your dog and I will tell you who you are..
So now you have a real life example..

and ckranz you might still be the only guy I don't know so many guys on forums :p but your not the only one doing positive reinforcement. I thought all people on this board did?

and now it's only 5 days left to the new show!!!
We are four people sharing this house I live in, and I have got them all hooked on dogtraining and we are making a movie night out of this to see Victoria jump the americans. The two americans are just saying she will get a RUUUUUUUUUUDE awakening if she run into the people I have seen. She will go nuts... I can't wait to see her being so direct to them.
Here in the US you can not be always direct with people as in Europe they get offended. (Not all but many)...

lablver2 · Post by **lablver2** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:16 pm

LOL I'm a callie girl ( borna and raised in California) I actually grew up with rotties and dobermans.

Don't tell my neighbor this but when I watch his dog I use some of my positive training tricks with his English bull Terrier. The dog litterally loves me but still has that food, possestion and movement aggresion in him. I have trained a lab/staffordshire mix, boxer, 2 pitbulls and I am about to train a aussie mix with positive training. I love dog training and would only do it using positive methods and I honestly believe they work better then dominance based training.

Belgian is a 100 lb lab. His sire was 110. Labs are big dogs and can easily do as much damage as any other dog can do. They are hunters and have powerful jaws.

I love the USA and wouldn't live anywhere else but I do have to admit some of our dog owners here just boggle my mind.

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:18 am

well you only sit it every now and then, its hard to change a dog with that little when he has ruined it like that, esp an english bullterrier they are known for their stubborn ness. and labs with powerfull jaws? lol, here I always thought they were breed to have soft mouths so they didn't crush the game... :p *teasing*

People just dont know what they are missing when not using it that is how simple it is...

Mattie · Post by **Mattie** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:05 am

I don't find any terrier stubborn, they do want higher wagers than a Lab though. Get the wages right and they will do everything you want them to

In the UK there are many trainers/behaviourists who say JRTs are untrainable, these usually charge really high fees but expect the JRTs to work for peanuts.

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:27 am

Ok, correction on my part, they need better motivation to do what you want than most dogs, esp bullterriers. You can give a bullterrier 20 hot dogs if he don't want to he don't want to, then you better raise the offer..

at least the ones I have meet, no I don't concider terriers untrainable, but they are def clowny and require good motivation..

I love terriers, esp pitbulls

lablver2 · Post by **lablver2** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:57 pm

Monkey-

Labs do have powerful jaws but you have to train them to be soft mouthed as pups. At least I train all of my labs I get to be soft mouthed since they walk through the door as a pup. Each of them though learn differently. Belgian learned by chewing my arm actually. He loved to chew my arm and when he bit chewed too hard he got my arm removed and couldn't chew on it. He didn't actually chew but being a lab he loved having things in his mouth. He doesn't put my arm in his mouth though anymore. These dogs were bred to pull fishing nets out of the water so they needed some strength to pull those nets out in below freezing degree waters.

Our neighbors bull terrier actually sometimes listens to me better then his owner. His owner uses harsh methods. I love my neighbor but I do not agree with any of his training methods. I have actually met bull terriers that could put my lab to shame. They are great dogs and the nieghbors bull terrier will actually work harder for the ball vs. the treats and is incredibly smart.

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:53 pm

oh I know lablvr Im just teasing.. I have dealt with enough retrivers to know.

Im dissapointed here however, they have now added a date (or if I didnt see it prior might be) that the show isnt til the 11th of October and I thought it was tomorrow...

I am SO mopey now.. Im gonna have to wait til October for this...

lablver2 · Post by **lablver2** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:39 pm

LOL sorry Monkey I am just a little overprotectie of my retrievers. Many people think they get a retriever and you get a 100% perfect dog. As you know this isn't true. With Labs alot of their temperment depends on what lineage they come from. Most people think labs are angelic which if you have ever lived with a lab you know they have their little quirks too.

On petfinder there is over 18,000 labs and lab mixes listed. This is far more greater then pit bulls which only have over 2,000 dogs. I would like both of those numbers to be 0 but when I saw those numbers I was just shocked. Sadly I know that those labs probably 80% or more of those dogs are there because of behavior problems.

SushiChick · Post by **SushiChick** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:02 pm

Woohoo, I can't wait either and we are getting closer!! I know that there are quite some differences as to how the British take care of their dogs compared to the Americans. I saw a preview when Victoria is in a crate. I'm guessing the owners use their crate in the wrong way and "prison" their dog maybe? Should be interesting. I love it when she gets tough with people.