Execution of thousands of Healthy dogs in the UK

mcgregorkh · Post by **mcgregorkh** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:12 am

Dublin City Council have banned 10 Breeds of dog from all of their properties. People who own ANY of these dogs MUST have them re-homed or taken away and put down!!!!!!! The labour councillor Kevin Humphreys is the man who brought in this ban and has called for all the dogs on the list to be banned totally in Ireland. I found out yesterday that Cork are thinking of implementing the same ban in September.

Dobermanns,Rottweilers,Staffies,GSDs and Ridgebacks are just 5 that are on the list. Please sign the petition and pass on the link to everyone that you know.

www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?anvil999&1

Victoria I know you have spoken out about deed not breed please help these poor dogs and their families by making this known nationwide. When I spoke to the RSPCA yesterday their representative never knew nothing about this! I hope someone from your team read this and pass it on to you as well

Lis & Addy · Post by **Lis & Addy** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:51 am

I know this is petty and pedantic and irrelevant, and I'm just a dumb American, so what do I know anyway, but the last time I checked, the Republic of Ireland was no longer a part of the United Kingdom. Not for some good few years, now.

emmabeth · Post by **emmabeth** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:22 am

As a representantive of DeedNotBreed, can I also encourage you to contact your MP with your concerns, and ask them to back new legislation that protects dogs AND people, and doesnt focus on breed.

mcgregorkh · Post by **mcgregorkh** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:43 am

Lis & Addy wrote:I know this is petty and pedantic and irrelevant, and I'm just a dumb American, so what do I know anyway, but the last time I checked, the Republic of Ireland was no longer a part of the United Kingdom. Not for some good few years, now.

Yes it is irrelevant to the real situation of many much loved family pets being destroyed for no reason.Just because it hasn't come over to England yet doesn't mean it won't. Would you be concerned if this was happening in a state next to yours?

Thank you for your comment though, and not all Americans are dumb, that is generalisation which is what the Irish councils are doing to the dogs saying one dog is the same as another, not seeing them as individuals!

Lis & Addy · Post by **Lis & Addy** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:20 am

Is that really relevant to the real situation of many much loved family pets being destroyed for no reason? Just because it hasn't come over to England yet doesn't mean it won't.

For the larger issue, no, we all need to make our politicians understand how pointless and useless breed-specific legislation is in dealing with the real problem of people who don't control their dogs properly and in too many cases encourage them to be dangerous dogs.

For responding to this particular proposal, yes, it matters, because the politicians involved will care a lot more about complaints from people whose votes they might actually need in a future election than complaints from people whose votes they will never need. You're not hanging your neon sign in front of the right people, the people who most urgently need to respond in this instance, by saying "UK" in the header when you meant "Ireland."

(It's also, of course, the kind of mistake that, if made by an American, would be taken as evidence of our stupidity, arrogance, and general inablity to tie our own shoelaces.)

mcgregorkh · Post by **mcgregorkh** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:03 pm

Lis & Addy wrote:
Is that really relevant to the real situation of many much loved family pets being destroyed for no reason? Just because it hasn't come over to England yet doesn't mean it won't.
For the larger issue, no, we all need to make our politicians understand how pointless and useless breed-specific legislation is in dealing with the real problem of people who don't control their dogs properly and in too many cases encourage them to be dangerous dogs.

For responding to this particular proposal, yes, it matters, because the politicians involved will care a lot more about complaints from people whose votes they might actually need in a future election than complaints from people whose votes they will never need. You're not hanging your neon sign in front of the right people, the people who most urgently need to respond in this instance, by saying "UK" in the header when you meant "Ireland."

(It's also, of course, the kind of mistake that, if made by an American, would be taken as evidence of our stupidity, arrogance, and general inablity to tie our own shoelaces.)

You seem to be hung up on the fact that it is a different country, though what you fail to realise is it is already known over Ireland, I am trying to get the message across here in the UK because not many people knew about it, so the UK was used to get peoples' attention. Also in the past things that have happened here have gone over to Ireland and Vice Versa.
I am not here to justify myself or the petition, people either sign or they don't, it is their choice, it is called 'Democracy'. Luckily most people aren't so picky as to where this is happening they are just concerned, angry and upset that it is happening at all, they are called dog lovers and human beings.

emmabeth · Post by **emmabeth** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:55 pm

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Before anyone falls out..... can I just remind everyone to play nicely?

Fankyoo velly much peeps.
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On a personal note, i can see what Lis & Addy is saying, and I do also question the value of online petitions.

However I cant see any harm in signing them, unless it encourages people to relax thinking they have done all they can.

In this case the 'frontline' is the Council(s) involved so I would be encouraging anyone who lives in the relevant towns to complain directly to their council.

Em

Post by **Victoria** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:30 pm

I have added my name to the petition and will do what I can to raise awareness. I am based in the States and it is only a matter of time before this comes over here. Many states have already banned certain breeds and more will be added to the list in time. If this ban goes ahead in Dublin many innocent dogs will be euthanised and a dead dog is a dead dog whatever country you live in! Appalling, ill conceived and very worrying for dog owners all over the world.

mcgregorkh · Post by **mcgregorkh** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:45 am

Victoria, Thank you so very,very much.

Emmabeth, I whole heartdly agree that petions can make people feel complacent and I am not sure how much good they do actually do. I didn't start the petition I am just passing it around as much as I can to raise awareness. On other forums I and many others have been encouraging people to write to their MP's, Dublin City Council, Cork City Council who are thinking of implementing the ban too, The PM and also their local rag. As of yet we are still waiting for any replies.

mcgregorkh · Post by **mcgregorkh** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:47 pm

This is the email address of the Irish equivalent to our Prime Minister. Please send him an email sharing your concerns about the band so hopefully he will be made fully aware of how the majority of people feel about this horrific ban.

Thank you

[email protected]

StaffieMad · Post by **StaffieMad** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:27 am

its horrible, i really hope this doesnt come over to England, all my fav breeds are on that list (almost) i have already signed the petion and hope that something will be done to protect these wonderful breeds!

Boxacrazy · Post by **Boxacrazy** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:12 am

Sadly it happened in Germany too.

You have to be so careful.

Although breeds aren't being banned yet, councils
are looking to ban dogs from certain area's and have more
'control' over dog owners.

Sadly it is the few irresponsible dog owners that are causing
major problems for the majority of responsible dog owners.

You have to be on your toes at all times.

mcgregorkh · Post by **mcgregorkh** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:18 am

I never knew that, how awful is that. Seems that they try to sneak these things in through the back door. Think they have their hand full now, the petition is gaining approx 150 per hour and many emails are coming back saying box full or not being accepted.

Did they destroy pets in Germany do you know?

Boxacrazy · Post by **Boxacrazy** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:24 am

To be honest I can't remember but what I do remember
is people of the breeds targeted had to prove that their dogs weren't
a threat, get them temperament tested, neutered etc.
Some people moved to protect their dogs.
It was very sad and again a knee jerk reaction to dog attacks..

emmabeth · Post by **emmabeth** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:32 am

We should all write to our councils asking if they have any plans for dog control orders, and encouraging them to behave reasonably, and consider the implications of the new Animal Welfare laws, which do state that animals must be permitted to display natural behaviours, such as free running.

Also pointing out that the more we limit the places a dog can go, the more we limit our abilities to socialise them and thus the less confident dogs will be, and an underconfident frightened dog is a potentially dangerous one.

Im working on a draft letter that can be used, which will go up on the DeedNotBreed website in a few days time.