Thank God for Lupis!

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leigh
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Thank God for Lupis!

Post by leigh » Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:27 am

my 4 yo male jack russel is a puller! He didn't get walked much, because he wasn't a joy to walk - he pulled, and ran on 2 legs, and when I first met him I had no idea about teaching a dog how to walk!

We bought him a Lupi harness, and VOILA he is now much more enjoyable to walk! We use an "ezi dog" lead - with a comfortable grip handle, and a stretchy lead, and gone are the days when he would leap and bound ahead, now he happily trots along with his Lupi in place. For those who don't know what a lupi is, it's basically a string harness, and stops him pulling. A God send! We tried a halti, and at the time I think we weren't patient enough to put up with him trying to scratch it off - but the Lupi worked immediately.

I just bought my little 1 yo pom x jack russel for her birthday, a little pink and white checkerred material harness from one of those designer dog shops - and it is just perfect for her too! She's tiny (only 4.5 kilos), and I couldn't get a Lupi in XS, but this little harness fits her snugly and she loves to walk in it. She didn't really pull, but I didn't want to risk damaging her tiny windpipe and throat while she tried to catch up to big brother Ted!

I only bought her the harness 2 days ago, and every walk we've taken since, I have said "what a joy it is to walk you now!"

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Post by Tania » Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:20 am

Hi! I am from Australia and we have just started the "It's me or the dog" series 1. I think it's amazing how well Victoria works with the dogs' and the Lupi sounds really great for us! (we have 2 large dogs, one purebreed German Shepherd, and another GS cross - maybe cross Rotty? noone is sure). I first saw them in one of the first episodes where there where 2 labs, one was on a halti and the other on this Lupi.

Having never heard of them before I was intrigued especially because our bigger dog (the GSx) is a real puller and because of his size we can't seem to get the halti to work (I think he would be an inbetween size or something:-s)

If anyone knows where I could look at this in Australia or where I could find information about measurements for this or the effectiveness that would be great!

- Tania

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Post by leigh » Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:35 am

hi Tania, I'm in Australia too, and I picked up my lupi from our local vet! I also have seen it in pet supplies stores, and in our local designer dog shop/groomer/salon

http://www.companyofanimals.co.uk/lupi.php - there is a size guide on there, the German Shepherd and Rottys are Large size. BUT I'd take your dogs in with you, and try it on in the store - most places are good like that. You can test it out in the store too, have a little walk and see how it goes.

I have read a review about the lupi being bad because it is cord style, instead of flat material, and that it can rub on the front of the dog's chest and cause rope burn - however my little jack russel walks with his lupi twice a day for 30-45 minutes each time, and he's a boisterous little fella and the lupi is tight against his chest, and it doesn't appear to cause him ANY distress, and there is no sign of rubbing, burning, or pain. I am interested to hear others opinions though?

I liked the look of the harness used in tonight's episode (with the 2 beautiful labs) - they looked like lupis, but had padding underneath the body and legs.

One of the things I love about the lupi is the fact that it's so light weight and no material, so he is able to keep cool when walking (his old harness caused him to sweat and wasn't suitable for warmer weather walks)

Good luck!

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Post by Tania » Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:29 am

Thanks for that! I'll check it out. I hadn't heard of the Lupi's before but they seem to range from 22$ up to 35$ here (or thats the prices I found for Australian online pet supplies!

I'm also wondering if the RSPCA superstores would have them?

hmm. They did look flat on tv. That episode last night was brilliant!! I couldn't believe how quickly Veronica is able to work with them and when she (appeared) to use another Lupi I decided we have to get one (or at least find more out about them!)

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Post by Tania » Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:52 am

I've found one called a "sporn training halter" has anyone heard about it?

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Post by Tania » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:11 am

sorry for another post!
Leigh, which state are you in? and which vet is it? We usually go to one called "greencross" which has several branches around brisbane area but they don't sell them. I've looked at what other people have been saying online and it seems that a head halter is no good for my dog (someone could have said so 3 years ago! ;)) Anyways the other suggestion seems to be the sporn training halter but I think thats just a temporary thing that is meant to train the dog. My dog loves his food (and treats) but wont take them while walking (on the halti anyways) so I don't think thats going to work either. Hence I decided on the Lupin! Just need to find where I can get one in the area (or else send off for one where they might refund)! RSPCA world for pets doesn't sell them either. Any info anyone can give would be great!

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Post by leigh » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:07 pm

I'm in SA, and I got mine from Woodville Pet Doctor, and they have them at The Spoilt Dog.

Just call around to different vets in your area, and pet shops etc - hopefully someone has them (surely!) or can get them in

I haven't heard of sporn training halter, but it looks very similar to a lupi. Maybe speak to your own vet about it and see what they have to say - or visit other vets in the area to see their products/?

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Post by doggie » Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:06 am

I have a lupi and i swear by it, I had tried Halti harnesses, head collars and all sorts but none of them worked, or if they worked my dog would spend all his time trying to get the harness off.

We tried the Lupi on recommendation from a friend and what a difference its made, no more pulling at all :)

We bought ours from an UK online pet shop called furbabies
http://www.furbabies.co.uk/index.php/cPath/20_8

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Post by Fools Gold » Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:07 am

How does the loopy work?

Why does the dog stop pulling?
:)

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Post by emmabeth » Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:15 am

Imho - because it bloody well hurts to pull in one. In short!

Em

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Post by Bea » Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:29 am

Please note:
There are in-telli-gent dogs out there who for themselves work out how and that Lupis and Head Halters work ... but only if they PULL.
What those clever elkiemixes of mine have done - with either tool - is let go of the tension, "obey" and walk moderately ... and then surprise surprise walk backwards and thus get rid more or less sucessfully of the harness as well as the Halti ... :oops:

Bea
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Post by mum24dog » Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:11 pm

emmabeth wrote:Imho - because it bloody well hurts to pull in one. In short!

Em
Plenty of less painful harnesses on the market.
A local "trainer" claimed to be helping with the design of the Lupi some years ago.
He proudly demonstrated how it would hurt the dog to pull with obvious enjoyment.
I shouldn't be surprised as choke chains, prong collars, shock collars are all part of his armoury.
And he claims to use positive methods.
I despair.

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Post by leigh » Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:15 pm

my dog pretty much puts his lupi on himself..... he gets all excited, grabs it and puts his head throgh it - then when I take it off him he sits still and puts his head in it, and lifts his legs on his own to put them through the loops.
I've heard that they hurt, and that they rub, but my dog shows no signs of distress, no physical signs of damage.
thanks for opinions though.

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Post by KathyM » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:04 am

Someone I know used a Lupi a while back, and it rubbed the skin horrificly over time. There are loads of good and IMO much safer alternatives. Head halters work very well on shorter leads (should never be used on extending leads or long lines), and the two best body harnesses we've used to date were the Walkezee by itself, or the plain Canac walking harness coupled with a head halter.

We now use a head halter and the Canac together as it gives us "power steering" over Dharma, who is a strong Bullmastiff.

If you don't want to use a head halter too, then the Walkezee is a better solution as it works in a similar way to a head halter.

When choosing a "normal" body harness, it's best to pick one that sits further forward on the dog (like the Canac) as the trail style harnesses that have the strip down the back and the band round the waist harness a dog's pulling power and make pulling worse. The difference with the Canac is that it sits much further forward and therefore it's easier to gain control of the forequaters of the dog. The Walkeee is completely different to other body harnesses in that the lead attaches to the chest strap, giving very good control over the dog (and if it works for a 45kg Bullmastiff, it'll work for owt!).

IMO they shouldn't sell Lupis or the other harnesses that use strings under the "armpits" as they're cruel and dangerous.

http://www.walkezee.com/

http://www.petsplaytime.co.uk/acatalog/ ... es_65.html (scroll down for the harness).

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Post by Dibbythedog » Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:34 pm

I recently asked for recommendations re non pull harnessess and the two that were mentioned the most were Walkeeze and the Non Pull harness as seen here
http://www.petplanet.co.uk/product_grou ... &pg_id=437

I have heard that Lupis rub too.
Alison

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