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Deew
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Deaf dog training

Post by Deew »

I have a deaf dog from rescue that, as far as we can trace her history, has been passed around a fair bit. She was very hyperactive and bouncy with little training and socialisation.
With persaverence and understanding she has come a long way and has proven to be a quick learner and responds well. Inside the house she is now a diamond dog that is very obedient, calm and relaxed.
Outside is a very different matter.
Of course she has never been off lead. She does not pay attention to her people, pack or surroundings. Her nose becomes glued to the ground and shes in a world of her own.
In all she walks well on a lead, she doesnt pull, but any training or activities are impossible. Her whole being is focused on the end of her nose.
It has been advised that I keep her on a short leash and force her head up away from the ground. As she is deaf would I be removing yet another vital sense and would it really teach her anything? It also leads to a bobbing war as she still continually tries to get her nose down. :?
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Post by leigh »

I'm sorry, I have no advice, but awwwwwww a deaf dog, poor little love! I'm eager to read advice given to you though!
Patch
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Post by Patch »

She sounds very much like the youngest of my three deaf dogs, [ mine are all collie`s but until she passed away I also had a deaf lad x poodle ]. Your dog sounds to have very similar behaviours to my youngest, particularly regarding the almost obsessive nose on the ground.

I worked on her training indoors initially, [ sit, down, close recall ], and once those were consistant I worked on them in the garden next, so that though distractions for sniffing etc were there, it was a safe closed environment. Every time she so much as glanced at me while sniffing around, I used her recall signal and facial expression of a beaming smile, and she soon started coming to me between ground sniffing, gradually watching me more and more and becoming more responsive to recall then her other basics outside despite distractions.

I would do a brief session on those then let her sniff around again uninterupted for a few minutes, then do another brief session and so on, gradually building up the time she was able to focus and concentrate.
I then introduced using her favourite toys which has resulted in the makings of excellent recall for the time I feel she is ready to be able to go off lead in unfamiliar areas later on.

When on lead away from her familiar surroundings, I let her have free reign to have her head down, on a long training lead not a short one, and never forcing her head up. Again, as with the garden work, I would wait for her to glance at me then would interact and reward with praise, [ visual signal ], and food reward.
Over a relatively short period of time, because I gave her the opportunity to seek interaction from me on walks for which she is rewarded, rather than force it, she now walks pretty much like any other dog, head up and responsive, with occasional sniffs at the ground as all dogs should be able to do, [ its *their* walks after all ].

She is doing agility training at the moment which has come on very well due to the previous base work. I use an outdoor enclosure for her agility so that she is free to safely sniff around and be in her own little world but she is doing that less and less all the rime as she `checks back` so often now and gets a tremendous response from me for it.

I also do `chase me` games, where I walk, jog, and run away from her in different directions, on long line on open ground and off lead altogether in the [ large ] enclosure, so that she watches me more, the idea being to be more interesting to her than anything else, which has improved her focus no end.

If any of the above is something you can try, if there is an enclosed area available, or using a longline on harness [ NEVER to collar or head collar ], so long as you steadily build up the distance as you both get used to a line so that she does`nt get it wrapped around her legs etc, you should find your dog starting to get more responsive.

I would also strongly suggest you check out the website and booklets by Barry Eaton for tips on signals, attention getting, and general info on deaf dogs

http://www.barry.eaton.clara.net/

If you would care to tell me your dogs breed or mix if known, I can consider breed traits which you may be able to use to advantage, [ if your dog exhiits any ], if you are open to suggestions from me.


My eldest deaf dog incidentally, also started fairly similarly to my youngest though not so scent obsessed. He has been competing in agility for many years and has taught me an incredible amount about communication with deaf dogs.

I found the key was to let the dogs guide me as to what visual cues and interactions they find easiest to understand and to use their natural behaviours, especially simple glances at me at any time, toward formal training aspects. [ I will add, I use positive methods only, no force and no punitive punishment - its all reward and fun based methods which I use ].
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Post by Deew »

There is no "glancing" to try and catch her attention, shes completely in a world of her own. Her training is spot on at home and in the garden, once you have physically touched her to get her attention. We've spoken to Barry about it and he refferred us to a collegue who was very unhelpful. I dont ask much of her other than a sit, down and stay, recall has been learnt by playing fetch with the hope to then use the toy to not only grab her attention but for her to bring it back to us. There are no room for toys in the "nose to the ground" world. Treats will get a quick stop and sniff but arent taken because the ground smells better :shock: We tried light, but that had no effect at all!
Shes a collie whippet heinz 57 kinda breed :wink:
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Patch
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Post by Patch »

She` a beauty :D

Ok, so she`s a Lurcher, but with Collie - Lurchers can often switch off whether they can hear or not, and the Collie element could be contributing to the obbsessiveness.

Is much of her history known - any scavenging from living rough for instance ?

Have you tried a torch in place of a clicker ?
Or a vibrating collar / pager which can also be used as a clicker substitute ? I`m not keen on pagers for giving cues when out and about, in case batteries go when you need to recall [ for instance ], so its not a good idea, imo, to use them for that other than in the house or garden, but as a marker the same as a clicker might well be worth trying

How soon when leaving the garden on lead does her nose go down ?

If straightaway, I would try doing some of her reliable training in the garden to get her focussed initially, then put her lead on, continue a little more basic work, then go to the gate, open it, take a few steps out, and as soon as her nose goes down, go back to the garden, do a little more of her basics as a reminder, then try going out of the garden again.

You may find that it takes some time to get more than a few steps before losing her focus, but if you are consistant and gentle, I would be very suprised if she did not start getting the idea.

If possible, so that she does not go without walks while trying this, I would use one exit [ ie front door ] for walks only, and the garden exit for specific training as described. Can you give that a try, doing say four *brief* sessions as outlined, each day, for a few days consistantly and let me know if she makes any progress at all ?

If you give it a fair try and then find its not helping, I will look at what tweaks I can offer. Whatever feedback you can give will build a better picture for me to consider further options for you - finding out what does`nt work is as important as what does work, to help tailor potential techniques, particularly as I can`t see her in person as you try things of course so its harder this way to get in to her possible thought processes as to what might be the spark you need to get her focussed on you, but I`ll stick with it and keep trying for you :)
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