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GSD

Post by ZaraD » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:54 am

Hi

Kera's been looking at breeders , she has got in contact with mystic skies and is waiting for a reply.

In the meantime she's been looking at breeders and has found one that she likes , she's tests for DM as well as hips, elbows and PD. The breeder has answered all of the question Kera had and she was happy with the awnser and the breeder asked her loads of questions.

https://www.champdogs.co.uk/breeder/463 ... sic_site=1

Her dogs do have a slight slope but Kera things they look and move better than the show lines.

What do you think?

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Re: GSD

Post by ZaraD » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:11 am

Here's also the website for mystic skies who lotsaquestions mentioned.

Here's the girls http://www.mysti-skies.co.uk/our%20girls.htm

And the boys http://www.mysti-skies.co.uk/our%20boys.htm

I'm hoping Nettle sees this as there are unusual colours is this good or bad nettle if there are unusual colours?

Also here's another storm lake who has videos you can see https://youtu.be/ohAWNC_XdlA

http://www.stormlake.moonfruit.com

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Re: GSD

Post by ZaraD » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:43 am

Ok so I just received an email from Kera and mysti skies were not helpful at all and said that it's none of kera's bussniss if she elbow tests or not and was rather rude to her so I told her mysti skies don't seem like a good breeder and clearly are avoiding awnser the question.

So she's not as friendly as you thought lotsaquestions.
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Re: GSD

Post by JudyN » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:33 am

ZaraD wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:43 am
Ok so I just received an email from Kera and mysti skies were not helpful at all and said that it's none of kera's bussniss if she elbow tests or not and was rather rude to her
That's odd, seeing as she gives the elbow scores for several of the dogs on her website....
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Re: GSD

Post by ZaraD » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:36 am

I told Kera that storm lakes dogs are a bit on the big side for example none of her males is 73cm yet GSD are only supposed to be about 66cm. So it looks to me like she's breeding for large GSD. So there also of her list just the first link I posted now.

So I thought maybe to help her find a breeder maybe it would be good if you could advise what you would be looking for if you were to get a GSD?

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Re: GSD

Post by ZaraD » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:37 am

JudyN wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:33 am
ZaraD wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:43 am
Ok so I just received an email from Kera and mysti skies were not helpful at all and said that it's none of kera's bussniss if she elbow tests or not and was rather rude to her
That's odd, seeing as she gives the elbow scores for several of the dogs on her website....
Year I couldn't believe the response either but there aren't elbow scores on every dog so poor Kera just wanted to ask if it was maybe that the website wasn't updated but no she got that response instead :shock:

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Re: GSD

Post by ZaraD » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:02 am

I know this is kinda going off topic a bit but this is interesting to look at to see how much the GSD has changed .

http://www.angesgardiens.ca/ANG/Bundessieger%20list.htm

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Re: GSD

Post by JudyN » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:32 am

ZaraD wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:36 am
So I thought maybe to help her find a breeder maybe it would be good if you could advise what you would be looking for if you were to get a GSD?
Honestly, there is so much on this forum about what to look for in GSDs and how to find a good one that I don't think it's fair to ask the experts (which I'n not) to type it all up again. The search function is really useful :D
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Re: GSD

Post by Nettle » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:33 am

Thank you Judy - I agree.

As I have specifically been asked about whether unusual colours are good or bad - unusual colours in a breed mean one of two things:

There has been an unofficial outcross to another breed in order to get the colour. This is GOOD because it means a wider gene pool, BUT health checks still apply because the hidden breed may carry the same genetic defects.

or

An unusual colour has appeared as a 'sport' which is what we call a one-off incident in a breed. This is then inbred to create more animals of that colour. This is BAD because it means a very small gene pool which is risky in terms of potential for genetic defects.

If your friend isn't going to show, isn't going to breed, and the rest of the stock appears healthy, unusual colours are not important except as stated above.
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Re: GSD

Post by ZaraD » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:37 am

Thanks Nettle and Judy

I understand what your saying Judy it's just she's read most of the posts on here and still is having no luck in that the breeders she's found who do all the health tests are either working lines which is not suited to her or Showlines which she was fine with until she read a few things on here that changed her mind and that leaves mainly long coats who don't do all the tests.

That's why she's stuck.

And I do apologize as I know your probably fed up of me bringing this up again but kera's my friend and I want to help her but don't have the knowledge you do.

So really what I'm asking is what would you do if you knew which breed you loved and you weren't going to ever change your mind on breed but you struggling to find a breeder because you want a GSD who is health tested , good structure and good temperament but all the breeders who health test for DM are either working lines which aren't suited to a first time owner or show lines but she's read on here that show lines structure means there quality of life is not as good because there structure is comprised so she decided against them but then all the long coats or dogs with better structure there breeders don't test for DM.

That again why she's stuck so she either chooses a showline so it's tested for DM or she ignores the DM test in favour of good structure. So you can see why she's stuck .

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Re: GSD

Post by JudyN » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:52 am

She has all the facts though, and repeating facts or opinions won't get her any further. There isn't a simple right or wrong decision, even if made by an expert - it comes down to individual choice, like whether to go on holiday to somewhere where there is a little political unrest.
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Re: GSD

Post by ZaraD » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:02 am

JudyN wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:52 am
She has all the facts though, and repeating facts or opinions won't get her any further. There isn't a simple right or wrong decision, even if made by an expert - it comes down to individual choice, like whether to go on holiday to somewhere where there is a little political unrest.
I suppose it doesn't help that people on a GSD fourm are saying everything she's been told about Showlines is wrong that they do still have a quality of life.

So really it's a matter of which is most important health or structure?

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Re: GSD

Post by Nettle » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:46 am

It's a matter of what is possible, what isn't, and where she is prepared to compromise. A good life lesson.
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Re: GSD

Post by ZaraD » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:50 am

Nettle wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:46 am
It's a matter of what is possible, what isn't, and where she is prepared to compromise. A good life lesson.
Very sorry Nettle I know im gonna come across as daft but I don't quite understand could you explain just in a lil more detail? Sorry , I don't want to get it wrong when telling Kera. I really do appreciate your help.

The compromise bit you mentioned she would be happy to compromise on structure as health would be more important but then she's worried if she gets a showline her dog won't have a quality of life like mentioned on here in another post but if she compromise health for structure she's worried her dog will get DM , what would you be happy to compromise Nettle if this was you?

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Re: GSD

Post by Nettle » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:42 pm

Your friend needs to decide what she is prepared to compromise on. I can't put it any clearer than that. She gets the breed she wants with the temperament she wants, understands it is going to die young and cost a mint in vet bills, or she gets a slightly healthier specimen with a huge work drive and compromises on how much she can train it, where she can take it and what she can do with it, or she gets another breed that hasn't got health, work drive or temperament issues and will fit into the life she wants.
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