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wvvdiup1
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They Are Not People

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They Are Not People

Posted Sunday, December 18, 2011, at 2:55 PM

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One of the biggest obstacles I face in working with dogs and their owners is the humanization of pets. I am as guilty as any in considering my dogs to be my children but I do not allow myself to humanize their behavior. To do so is to invite disaster and this can lead to tragedy on so many levels.
This past week two dear friends lost one of their older dogs. This is a pack that has been in turmoil for some time and sadly the bomb finally exploded. In working with the main caregiver over the past few months it was brought to my attention that discipline and setting boundaries for these dogs was viewed as being harsh. Exerting control over a pack of eight dogs was not being perceived from the dogs' perspective but rather from a purely human perspective. That misperception cost one dog its life.

In the past week a study was brought to my attention regarding the notion that domesticated dogs have lost most of the instincts present in their feral cousins the wolf. To some degree I consider that to be true but not completely. I work with too many dogs coming from unknown backgrounds to be effective without looking at dog behavior from the perspective of the dog itself. Dogs as a species still answer to a certain genetic code that is ingrained in their behavior from the time before they walked at the side of man. Again, I work with too many dogs without a known history to ignore this simple fact.

I teach the new trainers at Charleston to consider first how dogs behave because of instinct, then to evaluate learned behaviors. It is that black and white in the mind of a dog. They do not reason or make decisions based any shade of gray. They must have pack order and they must have rules. They are genetically predisposed to this simple principle. All learned behaviors come from the principles of cause and effect. If a dog does a certain thing, it either reaps a reward or a negative result. That is what makes training, even at the basic level, so absolutely necessary for a dog owner.

This lack of understanding a dog's nature is what is causing such chaos in the world of Pit Bulls. If you have any doubt of that, I can provide you with emails that prove far too many people professing to love this breed are blind to what Pit Bulls are capable of doing. I would be the first to defend this breed as being loyal, intelligent and loving but I do not try to fool myself into believing they are all rock solid, nor that they are any less a dog. That attitude of humanizing their behavior and ignoring their hard wired instincts is nothing but an open invitation to disaster, hence the headlines heralding yet another attack by a Pit Bull.

I have stepped away from active rescue but I will still cross post. In my cross posts I never endorse dogs I have not done a "hands on" evaluation of or that I would not be willing to bring into my own home. I also will not cross post for any group that knowingly tries to place even one dog known to possess human aggressive tendencies. We lose too many good dogs to waste resources on one that has the potential to hammer another nail into the coffin of the Pit Bull as a whole. I do not care how beautiful a dog is or how tragic its tale, if it is not in my opinion rock solid, my recommendation will be to put it down. This does not make me popular but I am not running for Ms. Congeniality. I am fighting to save the breed I love. It is sometimes heartbreaking, it is sometimes dirty work but the price this breed pays for the attitude of anyone ignoring a dog's nature, is not worth the genocide of this entire breed.

It is all well and good to do your very best for your canine companion. It is unrealistic to forget they are not people. It is irresponsible to ignore their need for structure because of feelings that training would be harsh if applied to a child. Even children must be taught appropriate behavior when living in our world, dogs are no different. The training of both must adhere to what is acceptable in our society. This simple concept is the only way we will save our dogs and preserve our families.
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This person sounds like a leash-jerk and dominance person, though their point is decentish. I dunno, I don't think I like them. The way they talk about how the training would be harsh if applied to a child - is any of the training we advocate here harsh if applied to a child? I don't think so. I would be fine doing any of the exercises here with kids of any age - none of it is "harsh" in any way.

Sorry if I'm completely misunderstanding the article's author, but I don't think I am. :| I know a wonderful Pit Bull rescue in my state that's only a year or so old, and has already placed over 50 dogs into permanent homes. The best part? They aren't based on "dominance" or any of that falseness, training-wise. They use harnesses with collars as back ups, actively recommend against prong collars and choke chains and shock collars, and are just brilliant on the whole. :)
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wvvdiup1
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Re: They Are Not People

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Although this author tells the "dark side" of rescuing and r rehabilitating Pit Bulls, it makes me question his or her evaluation methods. I don't care how long this author has been working, training dogs, but I feel if they know the positive reinforcement methods we on this forum ascribe to, a lot more of this or any other breed can be rehabilitated and saved, thus being able to rehome most, if not all, of them.

Erica, I think you might be right about the *d*o*m*i*n*a*n*c*e* thing here, even though the author doesn't mention his or her evaluating and training methods. But I've seen too many dog trainers and/or dog behaviorists claim to use positive reinforcement methods, when in reality, they are using a mix of *d*o*m*i*n*a*n*c*e* and positive reinforcement, usually more of the *d*o*m*i*n*a*n*c*e* methods, which ends not helping and making it worse for the dog. When I see this, I question their integrity. If I'm working with them and they use other dog training methods, I tell them by making them see the errors of their ways by showing how it is done using positive reinforcement.

This article points out a couple of things I think are correct. The author says:

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[center][quote]to consider first how dogs behave because of instinct, then to evaluate learned behaviors. It is that black and white in the mind of a dog. They do not reason or make decisions based any shade of gray...they must have rules."[/quote][/center]
As for the "Pack Theory", it seems from my experiences working with dogs and other dog trainers that any trainer who is a staunch believer in this theory tend to use *d*o*m*i*n*a*n*c*e* training methods rather than positive reinforcement. Maybe this is just from my experiences working with dogs and other trainers, but I'm curious to know whether any one else -that is, any other member- of this forum have either noticed or experienced this themselves? If so, please respond.
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