Hello all,
I'm new to the forum after watching last nights episode with Harvey. I have a rehomed dobe and he's been with us 2 months now. He was worse than Harvey but he's making good steady progress with a lot of hard work. Poor Harvey had the chance to correct the behavioural problems that his owners had caused and he was doing so well, unfortunately it seems his owners couldn't commit to him. I'm deeply saddened that Harvey has been let down, he looked to have so much potential.
I take my hat off to Miss Stilwell once again but feel she must have been angry with this one (not Harvey)
I am part of a small group of volunteers that put time, effort and a lot of hard work into rehoming dobes just like Harvey and this type of owner really doesn't deserve to have one of our breed.
I wonder if after 7 months and Harvey's being even more problematic, if they have rehomed him or if they're still treating him in this way. Sorry if this all sounds a little abrupt, it just hurts to see a beautiful boy have to behave in this way when it was being remedied by the efforts of Victoria, I'm sure she'd say once again it's the owners who need training. Thanks for letting me have my view. Take care Angela
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Ocelot0411
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Harvey the Dobe
Yep Angela, you are of course quite right and I echo everything you say. I too am a Dobe owner and was shocked at Harvey's story last night. However, although of course I am a bit biased as Dobes are my favourite breed, this is of course not a breed specific problem.
I must confess as the series goes on I am becoming increasingly frustrated, not at Victoria of course who is my hero, but at people who buy a dog without any forethought whatsoever. Taking the example of lasts night show, Harvey's mistress commented that before he arrived she got to spend half of the day at the gym and that he had turned her world upside down. Well I am sorry if this sounds rude, but if you want to spend the majority of your day at the gym (or whatever else floats your boat) why get a dog?
I note that they already had a little dog and that they got a larger breed because she wanted to talk it for walks with her husband. Well any dog can go for a walk, even the little Shitzu (sorry if I have spelt that wrong). Big dogs mean big commitments and a big drain on your time and energy resources. How people don't realise this escapes my comprehension, and then of course its the dog that suffers for this ignorance.
Sorry if I am starting to rant now but people must learn that dogs, although cute and georgous as puppies are DAMNED HARD WORK and will not arrive at your house trained and perfectly well behaved. To achieve this YOU have to put the time in. If you don't want to be bothered with this don't get a bloody dog!!!!!
I must confess as the series goes on I am becoming increasingly frustrated, not at Victoria of course who is my hero, but at people who buy a dog without any forethought whatsoever. Taking the example of lasts night show, Harvey's mistress commented that before he arrived she got to spend half of the day at the gym and that he had turned her world upside down. Well I am sorry if this sounds rude, but if you want to spend the majority of your day at the gym (or whatever else floats your boat) why get a dog?
I note that they already had a little dog and that they got a larger breed because she wanted to talk it for walks with her husband. Well any dog can go for a walk, even the little Shitzu (sorry if I have spelt that wrong). Big dogs mean big commitments and a big drain on your time and energy resources. How people don't realise this escapes my comprehension, and then of course its the dog that suffers for this ignorance.
Sorry if I am starting to rant now but people must learn that dogs, although cute and georgous as puppies are DAMNED HARD WORK and will not arrive at your house trained and perfectly well behaved. To achieve this YOU have to put the time in. If you don't want to be bothered with this don't get a bloody dog!!!!!
Having owned bred and trained Dobe's for over 23 yrs I was discusted by the comment's at the end of the program Harvey being much worse than he was what's a matter with these people she had time to put her face on every morning the time would have been better spent training the dog and instead of going to the gym she should have put her trainer's on instead of her heel's and took the dog to a training class where he could have been socialised properly:x IMO he wasn't that bad to begin with belive me I've had worse and with a little time and effort on the part of the owner's Harvey would have become a wonderfull member of a wonderfull breed what a total waist of Victorias time and effort's and I hope for Harvey's sake the owner's made the decision to rehome him and he has been given to a family to be part of a family instead of just part of the furniture.
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Ocelot0411
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Oh yes, sorry one other bit I forgot to rant about.........
Now I may be wrong but it seemed to me that the lady in the program did not work (hence the half day sessions at the gym she referred to). Now assuming this is correct this makes me even more mad, as she cannot possibly claim that she doesn't have the time to put into training Harvey. Some of us would give our right arms to be in the priviledged position to be able to spend all day, every day at home with our dogs.
As she doesn't seem to have much else to do, I can only put her lack of interest in training her dog down to apathy. My accusation of apathy is also backed up by the fact that they couldn't even be bothered to keep up with the training once Victoria had gone. They cannot therefore be excused by pleading (get more) ignorance.
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr (that's on behalf of Harvey)
Now I may be wrong but it seemed to me that the lady in the program did not work (hence the half day sessions at the gym she referred to). Now assuming this is correct this makes me even more mad, as she cannot possibly claim that she doesn't have the time to put into training Harvey. Some of us would give our right arms to be in the priviledged position to be able to spend all day, every day at home with our dogs.
As she doesn't seem to have much else to do, I can only put her lack of interest in training her dog down to apathy. My accusation of apathy is also backed up by the fact that they couldn't even be bothered to keep up with the training once Victoria had gone. They cannot therefore be excused by pleading (get more) ignorance.
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr (that's on behalf of Harvey)
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MEL AND ZULU
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Not wanting to really say much as i am sure there will be a few rants when my dogs episode shows in Autumn!! 
Unless you are a dog trainer or have an understanding of canine behaviour it is difficult to correct mishaps and behavior problems once they have started, leaving you feeling helpless.
But. . . . i think it is safe to say that this couple didnt really have a clue and all the effort that goes into making the shows from Victoria and her crew, i bet she is pretty upset, but think she will be more upset for poor Harvey then anything else.
Victoria treats the dogs like her own and shows such genuine care for them that i bet its hard for her to see the owners of such lovely dogs resort to their old ways and ruin what was the start of something really special for the dogs.
Unless you are a dog trainer or have an understanding of canine behaviour it is difficult to correct mishaps and behavior problems once they have started, leaving you feeling helpless.
But. . . . i think it is safe to say that this couple didnt really have a clue and all the effort that goes into making the shows from Victoria and her crew, i bet she is pretty upset, but think she will be more upset for poor Harvey then anything else.
Victoria treats the dogs like her own and shows such genuine care for them that i bet its hard for her to see the owners of such lovely dogs resort to their old ways and ruin what was the start of something really special for the dogs.
Nothing wrong in asking for help and I'm sure somethings just dont work.MEL AND ZULU wrote:Not wanting to really say much as i am sure there will be a few rants when my dogs episode shows in Autumn!!
Unless you are a dog trainer or have an understanding of canine behaviour it is difficult to correct mishaps and behavior problems once they have started, leaving you feeling helpless.
But. . . . i think it is safe to say that this couple didnt really have a clue and all the effort that goes into making the shows from Victoria and her crew, i bet she is pretty upset, but think she will be more upset for poor Harvey then anything else.
Victoria treats the dogs like her own and shows such genuine care for them that i bet its hard for her to see the owners of such lovely dogs resort to their old ways and ruin what was the start of something really special for the dogs.
But in this case I dint think the problems looked out rageous(sp?) and we saw how they had turned things round. But must of gave up or couldnt be bothered. Harvey looked a gorgeous boy and also looked willing to learn.
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Ocelot0411
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Response to Mel and Zulu
Mel & Zulu, just for clarity what I am having a good old rant about is not people getting it wrong, as I am no expert myself and have just got my first pup of my own (rather than a family pet), but people who don't want to be bothered.
Very few of here are real experts and have all needeed help ourselves at one stage or another, which is what drew us to this site in the first place. Also its nice to have somewhere where you can share views and experiences with fellow dog lovers.
If I am honest every time I watch Victoria's show I think 'oh dear, I've done that wrong then' and 'oh how obvious, thats what I should have been doing'. So please don't think people are going to beat up on you for making mistakes, as they won't, we all do it.
In my personal opinion the reason that feelings are running high on this one is the fact that Harvey's owners didn't seem to try, or perhaps more importantly want to try. Its this that really rankles.
So don't worry we won't rant at you and I will look forward to seeing your episode!
Very few of here are real experts and have all needeed help ourselves at one stage or another, which is what drew us to this site in the first place. Also its nice to have somewhere where you can share views and experiences with fellow dog lovers.
If I am honest every time I watch Victoria's show I think 'oh dear, I've done that wrong then' and 'oh how obvious, thats what I should have been doing'. So please don't think people are going to beat up on you for making mistakes, as they won't, we all do it.
In my personal opinion the reason that feelings are running high on this one is the fact that Harvey's owners didn't seem to try, or perhaps more importantly want to try. Its this that really rankles.
So don't worry we won't rant at you and I will look forward to seeing your episode!
I am going to try and be restrained as I write this. Some people think that I am going to come and wave my magic wand and fix their dog's problems without them having to work at it. Well it just doesn't happen that way!!!!!!!!! It is a trainer's job to go into a home, diagnose the problem and give the owners the tools with which they can train their dog. As I have said countless times training takes time, commitment and patience. It is hard work and if owners are not willing to put in the time involved then there is nothing that trainer can do. It is a problem that our profession deals with a lot and unfortunately the dog suffers as a result. Harvey is an amazing dog and there was big improvement. He just didn't know how to greet and after the work that I did with him he was making massive strides. Harvey has so much potential and it saddens me that it is not recognised or the time has not been spent continuing the training.
People get dogs to compliment their lives and make their lives better. However they fail to see that is their duty to do everything in their possible power to make their dog's lives better too. In cases where this is made harder because the dog is more challenging, it requires extra effort. Too often the dog is blamed for what in the end is a human failing.
People get dogs to compliment their lives and make their lives better. However they fail to see that is their duty to do everything in their possible power to make their dog's lives better too. In cases where this is made harder because the dog is more challenging, it requires extra effort. Too often the dog is blamed for what in the end is a human failing.
