Well Delboys, had the squitters now for the last few months, and Ive been to the vets and tried everything he can advise.
He said he may have a poulrty intolerance, so put him on Hills ID prescription diet, and he is still squitting. Ive looked at the ingredients and its got chicken and turkey in it, so am going to ween him off this and onto something else.
Ive really had enough of it now.
All tests have come back clear, and he's been on antibiotics and nothing has cleared him up. He's had poop smaples sent off to labs, and has had swabs taken all are clear.
Does anyone have any thoughts as to what it could be.
Has anyone tried autarky food, sopmeone has recklomended it to me, and also Pascoes. Has anyone tried them and if so what are they like?
All thoughts welcome
Fed up of it now.
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Bowel problems are notoriously difficult to treat with ABs because the drug is absorbed before it gets to the bowel. This is what my vet tells me. 
You need - from your vet - some canine probiotics. I have found my dogs respond quickly to a big spoonful of plain bio yoghurt with honey twice a day, and if your dog will eat some apple, stewed or fresh, that helps settle tummies too.
There are very good homeopathic treatments called bowel nosodes, but you should have these prescribed by a homeopathic vet as different ones suit different dogs.
If doggie is chewing wood, some charcoal biscuits will help.
You need - from your vet - some canine probiotics. I have found my dogs respond quickly to a big spoonful of plain bio yoghurt with honey twice a day, and if your dog will eat some apple, stewed or fresh, that helps settle tummies too.
There are very good homeopathic treatments called bowel nosodes, but you should have these prescribed by a homeopathic vet as different ones suit different dogs.
If doggie is chewing wood, some charcoal biscuits will help.
Hi thanks Nettle for your reply.
Its not Ethel the AB its my young BT Derrick. He's only 7 months old and has had them for near on 3 months or more now.
I have had everything you can think of from the vets, and he's had the probiotic stuff ie prokolin. Ive tried the live yoghurts, and have even tried giving him those yakult things.
I make sure he cant get to anything,,, have had to have a doig with a zip before and WILL NOT go through that again
so I know its nothing to do with wood. Its nothing plant like or slug pelletty or anything like that, and its nothing he has picked up off walks as he isnt let off..... the little bugger makes a run for it, and at the mo I wont risk him eating anything while were out. lol
Im going to try a different dog food as he's been on the hills id stuff for over 3 weeks now and it hasnt done a thing to help!
I reallyu dont know what else to try now, and am kind of at the end of my tether.
He's not a lethargic dog, and is packed full of energy. He will play all day, although he cant walk long sistances yet, but other than that he is great.
He is a bit under weight.. the vet says only slightly, but I know what a bull terrier should look like at this age and its not what my Del looks like. I like a bullie to be a little barrel, but Dels not even a keg lol
So he has a way to go yet.
If anyone can think of anything else it could be, please feel free to let me know lol
Thanks guys maggie and squitty derrick
Its not Ethel the AB its my young BT Derrick. He's only 7 months old and has had them for near on 3 months or more now.
I have had everything you can think of from the vets, and he's had the probiotic stuff ie prokolin. Ive tried the live yoghurts, and have even tried giving him those yakult things.
I make sure he cant get to anything,,, have had to have a doig with a zip before and WILL NOT go through that again
so I know its nothing to do with wood. Its nothing plant like or slug pelletty or anything like that, and its nothing he has picked up off walks as he isnt let off..... the little bugger makes a run for it, and at the mo I wont risk him eating anything while were out. lolIm going to try a different dog food as he's been on the hills id stuff for over 3 weeks now and it hasnt done a thing to help!
I reallyu dont know what else to try now, and am kind of at the end of my tether.
He's not a lethargic dog, and is packed full of energy. He will play all day, although he cant walk long sistances yet, but other than that he is great.
He is a bit under weight.. the vet says only slightly, but I know what a bull terrier should look like at this age and its not what my Del looks like. I like a bullie to be a little barrel, but Dels not even a keg lol
So he has a way to go yet.
If anyone can think of anything else it could be, please feel free to let me know lol
Thanks guys maggie and squitty derrick
Sorry, in an effort to be brief I was a bit TOO brief.
By ABs I meant antibiotics. Very difficult to treat bowel problems with them as explained above. That's why I recommend a course of canine probiotics from your vet and I'm surprised he hasn't suggested them already.
The wood thing - if dogs chew wood it often means an imbalance in the gut flora (good bacteria) which is why I suggested the charcoal biscuits.
Sometimes loose bowels are caused by worm damage, often incurred before you got the puppy. Is he on a vet-supervised worming programme?
Have you tried fresh food?
By ABs I meant antibiotics. Very difficult to treat bowel problems with them as explained above. That's why I recommend a course of canine probiotics from your vet and I'm surprised he hasn't suggested them already.
The wood thing - if dogs chew wood it often means an imbalance in the gut flora (good bacteria) which is why I suggested the charcoal biscuits.
Sometimes loose bowels are caused by worm damage, often incurred before you got the puppy. Is he on a vet-supervised worming programme?
Have you tried fresh food?
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Don't have much to say other than wishing you luck in finding a cure, but I wouldn't feed Hills to any dog. I don't think there is actually anything in it that is real food. Echo Nettle, have you tried fresh food or maybe something like naturediet? Something quite simple. I know when Horace has been experimenting with food and gets a bit runny, a day or 2 back on plain naturediet chicken and rice sorts him out. He is supposed to have a sensitive stomach, always did in kennels, only now if he eats too many pigs ears or too much fresh stuff.
Edited to say you could try the lamb version if you think it is a poultry intolerance. Or it might even be worth trying a veggie diet, just on the outside chance its a meat intolerance? You never know.
Edited to say you could try the lamb version if you think it is a poultry intolerance. Or it might even be worth trying a veggie diet, just on the outside chance its a meat intolerance? You never know.
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Very good suggestions already.And the probiotics and the de-worming if it hasn't already been done can be very important.
Also,some dogs don't tolerate grains,or are allergic to them,leading to an irritable bowel type syndrome. It might be helpful to look into a good grain free kibble?
Hopefully he'll be feeling better soon!
Oh,and for pick ups in this situation,cause it can be kind of tedious...when my dog would squat to go,I'd have an opened newspaper ready and slip it on the ground beneath his hind.
Also,some dogs don't tolerate grains,or are allergic to them,leading to an irritable bowel type syndrome. It might be helpful to look into a good grain free kibble?
Hopefully he'll be feeling better soon!
Oh,and for pick ups in this situation,cause it can be kind of tedious...when my dog would squat to go,I'd have an opened newspaper ready and slip it on the ground beneath his hind.
LOL at the AB's... Sorry Nettles.... its just that I have an American Bulldog and we abbreviate them as AB's lol so just automaitaclly thought you meant her hahaha!! 
Ive tried doing all sorts of diets, as advised by the vet, and also advised by lots of bullie owners.
He's fully up to date with his worming, vacs and has had prokolin twice.
The vet has now given me a sample bottle to put 3 days worth of poo into, and he will send that off, to check for Campylobacter. The results came back for teh Ingardia (think thats how you spell it) and all was clear.
If all else fails then he will have to be opened up to have a look at his bowels, and intestines, but before they do that they will xray him, to make sure he ahsnt got anything they can see on there.
I have asked about an obstruction, but they say its highly unlikely as its been going on too long.
He is getting taller, and is full of energy, very playfull, and very much like a bullie pup of 7 & 1/2 months should be, but if the vets say he's a little underwieght, then in my eyes he is very underwieght.
Vets allways say that dogs should be lean, but with a bullie pup they should look like little barrels, and be thick set.
All our bullies have been a good size, and weve allways had big dogs, so to see him look so thin is heartbreaking it really is.
The vet keeps telling me that while he is in such good spirits, he's not too worries. While he is happy and full of beans then he's not too worried. But he doesnt see him like I do.
To see his ribs, for me, is not good.
I just wish it was all over, and he was having good solid poo's.
Well lets see what this next poop sample says hey
Will let you know what it comes back with
Ive tried doing all sorts of diets, as advised by the vet, and also advised by lots of bullie owners.
He's fully up to date with his worming, vacs and has had prokolin twice.
The vet has now given me a sample bottle to put 3 days worth of poo into, and he will send that off, to check for Campylobacter. The results came back for teh Ingardia (think thats how you spell it) and all was clear.
If all else fails then he will have to be opened up to have a look at his bowels, and intestines, but before they do that they will xray him, to make sure he ahsnt got anything they can see on there.
I have asked about an obstruction, but they say its highly unlikely as its been going on too long.
He is getting taller, and is full of energy, very playfull, and very much like a bullie pup of 7 & 1/2 months should be, but if the vets say he's a little underwieght, then in my eyes he is very underwieght.
Vets allways say that dogs should be lean, but with a bullie pup they should look like little barrels, and be thick set.
All our bullies have been a good size, and weve allways had big dogs, so to see him look so thin is heartbreaking it really is.
The vet keeps telling me that while he is in such good spirits, he's not too worries. While he is happy and full of beans then he's not too worried. But he doesnt see him like I do.
To see his ribs, for me, is not good.
I just wish it was all over, and he was having good solid poo's.
Well lets see what this next poop sample says hey
Will let you know what it comes back with
Opening him up is a bit drastic! 
Has he been tested for pancreatic insufficiency and Addison's Disease?
Don't worry about thin. More dogs have severe health problems as a result of being overweight than ever from being thin.
Have you gone back to the breeder? Specialist breeders often have far more idea of what can happen in their own breed than vets know.
Has he been tested for pancreatic insufficiency and Addison's Disease?
Don't worry about thin. More dogs have severe health problems as a result of being overweight than ever from being thin.
Have you gone back to the breeder? Specialist breeders often have far more idea of what can happen in their own breed than vets know.
Hi Nettle...
Yup ive been back to the breeder, as she is a friend of mine. She fantastic bless her. She's offered to have him back for a while to see what her vets say etc etc etc, bless her. She fantastic too. She's been breeding them for the last 20 plus, almost 30 years, and what she doesnt know about Bullterriers, isnt, as they say, worth knowing. The poor gal must be fed up of me forever on the blower to her lol. But I cant fault her in any way, she's been brilliant.
He hasnt been tested for either of the things youve mentioned, would this be in the blood tests theyre planning on doing if the anitbiotics dont work? Or are the tested for another way?
If there are any other tests you can think of that may help, without the need for opening him up, then please let me know. Any advice you can give would be great.
Ive never had a dog with bad guts before, as all of mine have been able to eat anything. My AB Ethel has a cast iron stomache bless her. As my hubby allways says... she could eat barbed wire and custard, and it would have no effect
Yup ive been back to the breeder, as she is a friend of mine. She fantastic bless her. She's offered to have him back for a while to see what her vets say etc etc etc, bless her. She fantastic too. She's been breeding them for the last 20 plus, almost 30 years, and what she doesnt know about Bullterriers, isnt, as they say, worth knowing. The poor gal must be fed up of me forever on the blower to her lol. But I cant fault her in any way, she's been brilliant.
He hasnt been tested for either of the things youve mentioned, would this be in the blood tests theyre planning on doing if the anitbiotics dont work? Or are the tested for another way?
If there are any other tests you can think of that may help, without the need for opening him up, then please let me know. Any advice you can give would be great.
Ive never had a dog with bad guts before, as all of mine have been able to eat anything. My AB Ethel has a cast iron stomache bless her. As my hubby allways says... she could eat barbed wire and custard, and it would have no effect
I reckon the viewpoint of another vet might be very useful. Nobody knows everything about anything.
Either take pup to breeder's vet, or ask yours for a referral to someone who specialises in this sort of problem. I really think an operation is a bit over-the-top and should be avoided until every last option has been tried.
You have to ask for the tests I mentioned, but they are easily done as blood tests.
The antibiotics, as I said earlier, won't have had much chance to work in the lower bowel. I don't know how you say this tactfully to a vet. Tell him my vet says so!!!!
All the best.
Either take pup to breeder's vet, or ask yours for a referral to someone who specialises in this sort of problem. I really think an operation is a bit over-the-top and should be avoided until every last option has been tried.
You have to ask for the tests I mentioned, but they are easily done as blood tests.
The antibiotics, as I said earlier, won't have had much chance to work in the lower bowel. I don't know how you say this tactfully to a vet. Tell him my vet says so!!!!
All the best.
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Is there a grain free kibble you can try?
Reason I bring it up,is my dog had a loose,actually liquid elimination for a long,long time. Once I went to a grain free food,it was so helpful,and he'd stay formed for some time.
He'd then get,as you say 'the squitters!',after about a year later.
At that point I'd switch to another excellent brand of grain free,and he'd be right as rain again.
I attributed this to a string tendency to allergy developement.
Just want to add,tho' I'm not sure if product critique-ing is okay,but Hills only made matters more intensely worse for him.
I hope Delboys will be alright very soon.
And it's wonderful you have the support of the breeder!
Reason I bring it up,is my dog had a loose,actually liquid elimination for a long,long time. Once I went to a grain free food,it was so helpful,and he'd stay formed for some time.
He'd then get,as you say 'the squitters!',after about a year later.
At that point I'd switch to another excellent brand of grain free,and he'd be right as rain again.
I attributed this to a string tendency to allergy developement.
Just want to add,tho' I'm not sure if product critique-ing is okay,but Hills only made matters more intensely worse for him.
I hope Delboys will be alright very soon.
And it's wonderful you have the support of the breeder!
If you want I can dowse to see if he is intollerant or allergic to any of the ingredients in his food. Let me have a list of the ingredients and a picture of him and I will see what I can do.
I have a dog that is allergic to a lot of things I find he can eat Burgess Sensitive dog food without a problem. Joe is allergic to brown rice which a lot of dog foods have but he can eat white rice without a problem.
I have a dog that is allergic to a lot of things I find he can eat Burgess Sensitive dog food without a problem. Joe is allergic to brown rice which a lot of dog foods have but he can eat white rice without a problem.
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Thanks for all the replies guys.
Its great to hear all the different opinions.
Ive taken him off everything chicken altogether and he's now on hills id lamb and rice puppy food, but not the prescrition one, and for now, he seems to be a lot firmer.
I'm just hoping he wil get through untill is stomach is fully grown and then I will try him on what my other dog has. She has allways had guts of iron.. and can eat virtually anything... even chicken tikka kebab, as I found out the other week!!!
lol
Mattie, I will let you know all the things he has tried and let you have a picture of him... lets face it.. as they say at tesco.. every little helps
I might ask my friend (Delboys breeder) to have a word with her vet to see what he says, Im sure she wont mind.
Thanks for the well wishes by the way guys.
Maggie
Its great to hear all the different opinions.
Ive taken him off everything chicken altogether and he's now on hills id lamb and rice puppy food, but not the prescrition one, and for now, he seems to be a lot firmer.
I'm just hoping he wil get through untill is stomach is fully grown and then I will try him on what my other dog has. She has allways had guts of iron.. and can eat virtually anything... even chicken tikka kebab, as I found out the other week!!!
lolMattie, I will let you know all the things he has tried and let you have a picture of him... lets face it.. as they say at tesco.. every little helps
I might ask my friend (Delboys breeder) to have a word with her vet to see what he says, Im sure she wont mind.
Thanks for the well wishes by the way guys.
Maggie
Well weve had every test done imaginable and they have all come back clear.
The bloods have been done, and there is nothing wrong there. The poop has been tested for everything we can do, and they are all clear. He had an xray, and that was fine, no blockage no shading.
So the only thing we can think it is, is that its dietry.
Ive got to say, I was kind of hoping it was something so that it could be rectified there and then... a clear answer so to speak.
I have changed him onto a new food for him, lamb and rice one,(slowly slowly) and so far so good... she says holding 10 rabbits feet, and crossing everything
He has had 2 whole days of solid poops, and I cant tell you how pleased I am. Even took photos for the vet to see.
So I have gone from this (1st pic) ... to this (2nd pic) and I cant tell you how pleased I am. Del doesnt know what to do with himself though, bless him. He's not used to having to squeeze one out, and he looks at it like tis alien when he's done it
Sorry about the content of the pics, but I am sooooo pleased its unreal.
Dont look if you are eating
This is what he has been like for ages
And this is what he has done the last 2 days
Its so nice to be able to pick it up when out on walks.
Apologies again for the content of the pics
The bloods have been done, and there is nothing wrong there. The poop has been tested for everything we can do, and they are all clear. He had an xray, and that was fine, no blockage no shading.
So the only thing we can think it is, is that its dietry.
Ive got to say, I was kind of hoping it was something so that it could be rectified there and then... a clear answer so to speak.
I have changed him onto a new food for him, lamb and rice one,(slowly slowly) and so far so good... she says holding 10 rabbits feet, and crossing everything
He has had 2 whole days of solid poops, and I cant tell you how pleased I am. Even took photos for the vet to see.
So I have gone from this (1st pic) ... to this (2nd pic) and I cant tell you how pleased I am. Del doesnt know what to do with himself though, bless him. He's not used to having to squeeze one out, and he looks at it like tis alien when he's done it
Sorry about the content of the pics, but I am sooooo pleased its unreal.
Dont look if you are eating
This is what he has been like for ages
And this is what he has done the last 2 days
Its so nice to be able to pick it up when out on walks.
Apologies again for the content of the pics
this sounds (and looks ) like what my girly was going through last year. We had all sorts of tests done, tried different wormers and probiotics none of which helped. My vet thought it could be a wheat allergy - I started feeding chicken and rice in the mornings and blue buffallo (wheat free) kibble in the evenings and we have had no probs since 
) like what my girly was going through last year. We had all sorts of tests done, tried different wormers and probiotics none of which helped. My vet thought it could be a wheat allergy - I started feeding chicken and rice in the mornings and blue buffallo (wheat free) kibble in the evenings and we have had no probs since