Training my Tri-Pawed Puppy!

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Training my Tri-Pawed Puppy!

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This is my first post in here, so I'm not too sure what I'm doing, but here goes!

Bit of background to explain our situation:
22 March 2017 - myself and my boyfriend, Tony, collected our puppy from the shelter about 90 mins away. They said he was approx 9 weeks. Mum and litter of 10 were from rescued from the local pound. Mum was a lurcher and all the pups looked like collies, so we can only assume dad was a collie! For the first few days all was as you would expect from a puppy - confined to the kitchen with me all day, peed everywhere (except outside!), and he slept in an open crate in a puppy pen, outside our open bedroom door (to give him the security of us being there, but we were trying to be "strict" and not having him in the room with us).
24 March - He got his second injections (but still confined for 7 days) - weight 3.1Kg.
Found his teeth about 5 days in, again normal, terrorised me all day by nipping at my trousers, etc. We would spend time in the back garden playing and sometimes just napping (we had a random few days of sun in the UK/Ireland), and I took him out the front on his lead.
1 April - he was able to go out as normal, so we tried to take little walks in our estate, but he just wanted to sniff everything and wasn't really interested! I had read a lot online (especially here) about how to train a puppy, but he had pretty much zero concentration or ability to even listen to me. He was also starting to get pretty distressed when he was in the pen and I left the room (even for like a minute to use the downstairs loo!) So I rang a trainer to try to prevent future problems by us learning how to best deal with his behaviour and literally how to train him!
5 April - trainer had a 2 hour session in our house - his concentration was amazing! And she told us that him being with me all day wasn't good for him and he should be spend much more alone time in our garden. (2 hour in morning and 1 hour in afternoon, and another hour of me out of the house and he was in his pen/crate - with no gradual "build up" - just put him outside and ignore him :? ). I was a bit skeptical about this as he was still very young (and not that smart - he would run into chair legs, and wouldn't always take corners wide enough and hit into the cupboards), but I figured she knew her stuff. He also went for his first puppy groom that afternoon.
6 April - around 11.30am I finally decided to suck it up and Tony put Charlie out the back. Charlie was severely not amused and made sure that we (and half the neighbourhood) knew this - barking all over the place and generally being very moody (not so much distressed like when I would leave him inside), he was also hanging around the glass back door, as if to remind us he was out there. Tony went upstairs and I made tea, he came back down and we were talking about screws (of all things!) when we heard Charlie basically scream. No other words can describe that noise! The two of us nearly went through the door to get out to him, and he was running in little circles holding his back left leg up. Cleverly I told Tony he would need to look at his leg! Poor wee mite, still screaming and howling, lashed out and bit Tony about 4 times. Something I had read online just popped into my head and I told Tony to ring the vet and grabbed his blanket off the ground and used it to throw around him and lift him. Rushed him down to the vet, still screaming like crazy and he snapped at the vet as well, and the vet reached into his cupboard and took out the tiniest muzzle I have ever seen and got Tony to put it on to wee Charlie, while I stood in the corner with the tears just streaming down my face! Vet couldn't even examine his leg as he was in so much pain, so he had to be given a general anesthetic to be examined and x-rayed. Went home to wait for news and walking into the kitchen and seeing his empty pen and his toys all over the place just broke my heart. :cry: :cry: We also look properly in the garden and worked out he caught his leg between the railing and the side of concrete slope for disabled access (built by the previous house owners) and had then twisted and pulled to get his leg back up. He had spiral fracture his hind left femur, and needed urgent surgery, so we had to take him to Belfast (an hour away) to another vets. Weight in Belfast vet - 4.73Kg.

7 April - Surgery #1 - went well with a plate instered and relying on his young bones healing quickly to hold it properly
9 April - got a phone call from the Vet at 8.30pm on a Sunday night - due to his "activity levels in his cage" Charlie had loosened the pins in his leg
10 April - Surgery #2 went well and he had an external frame fitted to his leg along with the pin in the bone
12 April - Dressing changed and discovered minor infection of external pin site, so they wanted to keep him an extra few days to give him antibiotics
15 April - Dressing change #2 infection was worse and pins had been "biologically loosened" and were removed. Vet warned us that things weren't looking good about being able to save the leg.
19 April - Infection still bad (instead of clearing up) - we now had two options: 1) remove leg now or 2) send Charlie home with a broken leg, for 2 weeks to let infection clear, he wouldn't be allowed to walk except out to the toilet, and then have about another 3 operations to attempt to fix it, with risks of growth plates being damage and him having a short leg that won't grow or muscles and bones fusing together and him not being able to bend it, etc, and a pretty big risk that 2/3/4 months down the line, he would still need to have the leg removed. For us it was an easy decision, remove the leg now, no risk of the infection spreading to the rest of him and he can get back to being a puppy, rather than forcing him to go through many more days and nights in the vet and surgeries that may or may not work.
20 April - leg amputated and while it wasn't an ideal outcome for a puppy, it went well
21 April - wound was technically healing well, etc but due to his crazy nature, they wanted to keep him over the weekend in case he got to his staples around his cone and at least they could deal with it quickly!
24 April - we got him home! :D :D 14 days at home and then 17 days in the vets, but it was like he never left!
25 April - discovered an added bonus to his little trip away - he was now toilet trained to use puppy pads! (Not ideal obviously, but it meant a lot less cleaning up of puddles!). He was managing fine without his leg, his cone on the other hand was a problem - he never managed to realised how wide he really was with it on! His crate also got put away as he couldn't manage to turn around inside it with the cone on and after on time of getting a little distressed, we didn't want him to become afraid of the crate because he got stuck! So his bed was just in his pen, and lots of extra blankets as he wasn't to lie on a hard surface just to protect and cushion the wound and staples (and wounds from the previous surgeries).
27 April - we took him to a Socialisation Class (that we had originally booked before he had his accident) and he totally loved it! There was enough other things going on that we took his cone off and he never looked towards his wound. We held him a lot, but gave him a lot of little bursts of running around, and even while we held him, the other dogs would come up and they would have a bit of a play! Due to his injections, age, Tony working, etc and where we live, he hadn't been properly off lead before his accident, so I had no idea he could run that fast. You can really see the bit of greyhound/lurcher in him - the huge long strides and his ears almost disappear into his head!
1 May - me and my brother (he's 14) took Charlie to a Charity Fun Day at the dog park (from his class) and he had a blast, made friends with a few great danes! And he got 3rd Place in the Best Rescue! :D He also got carried around my me a lot cuz he got very visibly tired and wobbly on his back leg. Even in the house, as the vet told us to make sure he rests 95% of the time, I would spend a lot of time down on the blankets, cuddling him, giving him scratches, holding his Kong as it couldn't reach it with his paws, having him lying on my knee, etc just anything to keep him entertained but not standing. Gradually we worked him up little by little each day, and also taught him "lie down" and "stay" to get him to lie down on the blankets and stay there if we walked to the other side of the room, instead of him following us around!
3 May - staples out and finally rid of the lovely cone! So we celebrated by having lunch in town with my Mum (leaving Tony and Charlie to chill outside in the sunshine! :lol: ) Vet weighed him - 6Kg

So that is where we are now. While he had the staples in, my attitude was, training/rules are taking a back seat as the priority is to keep the staples in and the wound clean and secure! (I knew we can train him later, but an infected wound, etc would cause a lot more problems that a "spoilt" dog!) Now the he is basically "back to normal" following everything, the main issue we have is his separation anxiety. When I leave him in his pen in the kitchen to go to the toilet (off the kitchen) he will work himself into such a state, tear up his puppy pad, wee everywhere, tear at blankets and toys and attach his jaw around the bars of the pen. It's totally different than before his surgery - that was more an attitude type objection "how dare you leave me alone", now it is more "oh s**t, you have gone, I can't see you, you have left me, I'm gonna be alone forever" type scared reaction. How do we start to combat this, in a way that isn't distressing to him (or me!)?

Also by way of general training, Charlie is now approx 14 weeks - what should he be able to do, or what should we be trying to teach him? If the truth be told, nothing we have taught him is 100% reliable (ie, he sits first time - it could take a while before he does it, or he may just decide to not bother), but he is definitely getting there! It's actually pretty cute to see his little head **** to the side and his ears twitching as he is listen - you can almost see the thought process before he reacts!! :lol: So far he understands, sit, stay, lie down, go to bed and he can come (sometimes) when called.

Also does anyone know "ideal" or "recommended" weights for lurcher/collies? Our vet advised us to "watch his weight" due to his 3 legs, but how do you know what is too big? Especially in a growing puppy? Also what about extra support for him - we obviously still want to be able to talk him out and do all the normal things you can with a dog - walks and trips, etc, but he won't be able to walk the same amount as a "normal" puppy/dog - should we just basically not go out, or have people experiences of using say a doggie pushchair, as I can just about carry him now - I won't have any hope in a few weeks or months! :?:

Sorry for the super long post - it has just been a pretty emotional 6 weeks!! :roll: Thank you in advance for any help or advice anyone can give! :D
Laura & Crazy Charlie!
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Welcome to the forums and I am so pleased you have landed here and not elsewhere, particularly as we have a few lurcher people here (myself included!)

I am SO sorry that you recieved horrible advice, having done absolutely the right things up to that point and, seeking advice to ensure you were on the right track was something I wish more people would do.

PLEASE tell me you have made a complaint to that trainer who told you to do that - they are to my mind at least partially responsible for what happened!

Moving on - YOUR instincts to be with your puppy, supervising him pretty much constantly (btw, you can have them in your room, its fine, it doesn't teach them bad things or make them needy at all, thats an old wives tale!), were absolutely SPOT ON.

Puppies like babies, require their 'primary carer' pretty much the whole time whilst tiny. Given that constant company, they become secure and confident and that gives them the foundation to become independent as they are ready for that.

NO puppy is happy about being separated from their person straight away, and in any case prior to around 16 weeks their bladder and bowel control are not great, and even beyond that, most pups are not really truly housetrained until around 6 months old - so leaving them for periods longer than they can handle is going to slow down housetraining as accidents will occur.

The way to teach a pup to be ok on their own, to prepare them for that, is to introduce it in TINY sessions, making it the pups choice to go away from you and spend time away from you.

A really simple game is to have one person hold the puppy, the other person takes the pups dinner out of the room and puts it down so that the pup must go JUST out of sight of you to get their dinner. Start out with this only being a few feet, and build up to it being the other side of hte house, at a pace your pup is happy to handle!

This is great because the reward is built in, puppy chooses to go away from you, and in doing so, gets a lovely big bowl of dinner! Everyones a winner, and puppy can choose to come back and find you (or if you think they are not ready you can move nearer) when ever he wants, so theres no pressure and no distress!


Right now, although separation anxiety in a dog under 9 months old IS normal your puppy has unfortunately got bad experiences with being left and so I would NOT leave him alone - let him follow you around, ignore it, but let him do it! The distress that being physically separated from you will do more damage in the long run than him potentially learning 'oh i can go upstairs and sit with my people whilst they pee', really!

As far as walkies and weight go..

He is too little to go for long walks anyway, stick to around 10 minutes per 'pootle' and focus more on getting him out and seeing the sights and pairing those sights and sound with super tasty rewards (here, cheese spread in a tube is your friend!!) The crucial point is that those experiences ARE paired with the reward, do not skip that - puppies have a tendancy to just sit and look at stuff and we think 'oh, hes fine with that' but, unless something is added so that the experience IS positive... the reality is the pup doesn't file that experience in his wee brain-bank as good, it is neutral. So the NEXT time he sees or hears that thing, and pehraps he is in a fear-stage, theres nothing to refer to, he may well now file that as 'scary' instead!

Avoid scary experiences - they don't 'just get used to it' (as you have discovered with the leaving him alone thing :( ) so if something does get overwhelming or scary, take him away from it, and ideally have a positive experience as soon as possible.

As far as the leg goes, in all honesty, I would not worry too much about that. PUppies should be a bit scrawny and leggy (particulaly baby lurchers!) and a hind leg bears far less weight than a front leg (quadrupeds are rear wheel drive, all the weight is on the front wheels :D ) So the normal precautions with not over exercising a pup and not over feeding will suffice.

Get him used to being carried and lifted (again, lots of food rewards for both) so that you can pick him up when necessary, which may be more important when he is a silly teenage lurcher and tries to do more than he really can (he will. teenage lurchers are idiots).

Now then.. photos? Have you posted some, if not why not!!!!! :D :D
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Oh, your poor pup - and poor you, it must have been so stressful!

If he is a collie x lurcher you have got a dog who's probably very sensitive and very intelligent, and though the advice you've had is bad for all dogs, it would be particularly bad for him.

There's an article on separation anxiety here: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=20143 which may help as you progress with his 'separation training'. Bear in mind that given all the stresses he's had already you'll probably need to take it very slowly.

And yes, we would love to see photos! (I'm another lurcher owner :D )
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So sorry for all you and puppy have had to put up with. It's great that you have come here, and we'll support you every step of the way (see my avatar? I'm another lurcher person).
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Guys thanks for all the tips and advice and sorry this has taken so long - I am still shocked at how long it takes to do stuff with a puppy in the house! :roll:

Most important point - photos! :D I tried to upload them into the forum but they are too big (and then had some technical difficulties with my 7 year old laptop! :roll: ) In the end I made a Facebook album and have made it public, so I think you should be able to see it https://www.facebook.com/lauradonnelly1 ... nref=story If that link doesn't work, any tips for uploading them to here? :D

Following on from the tips about the separation, I've been playing around with different things, and have realised, if he is in his pen in the kitchen and I go out of sight, hes not happy, but if the pen is open meaning he can be wherever in the kitchen, he pretty OK with it. As per the link JudyN attached, I'm trying much more to ignore him if he follows me (which is tough! :roll: ). He is gradually getting less with the following - at the start it was literally everywhere. He could be lying (in the sun) by the back doors, and me in front of them at the table, and he would follow me around the island/breakfast bar/weird sticking out kitchen cupboards lol while I put the kettle on, then would follow me back to the fridge by the back door to get milk, then back into the kitchen bit to make tea and then back out while I sat down. Now he will sorta come half way to the kitchen just to check I haven't vanished and then will either go and lie down again or will just stand there until I'm done. I'm beginning to think his issue is from perlonged periods of being alone in a cage in medical and literal isolation in the vets due to his unknown infection - but oh well, we will get through it together. :D

Emmabeth, I had never thought of the neutral option for the experiences, so will definitely be giving more treats when we are out and about! Speaking of experiences, we took him on a 200+ mile round trip to visit my future in-laws, stopped at the services half way down, met some toddlers which was great, and then introduce Charlie to their two crazy dogs - and they quite surprisingly got on great with him! (They don't like each other and are kept separate, but they both loved Charlie - is was as if they knew he was just a baby and needed that bit of extra love!) But while we were all watching him playing with one of them, none of us noticed the family cat had returned and was standing behind us. Charlie went to say hello and have a sniff, and before we could grab either of them, he went in for the sniff and the cat took a swipe at his face (before falling off the decking - karma!), poor Charlie bolted straight back inside - but he was fine, just shocked! Gona have to take him to meet my friends cat, who will be a lot calmer and more welcoming of a puppy on her patch!

He seems to enjoy being cuddled and lifted, but just to check, do dogs yawn for the same reasons humans do as well as the early warning signs of being uncomfortable? I have a bit of a habit of taking Charlie onto my knee for cuddles and scratches for like 5 mins once he wakes up from a short nap (and then take him out to pee, cuz if he goes straight out he won't pee!), but I've noticed him yawning on my knee or once he gets down. He will usually give a huge stretch around the same time, so I put it down to him just waking up, but I'd hate to be missing his warning signs! Literally as I write this, he woke up, stretched walked out of the pen and came and sit beside me with his head resting on my knee and his paw against my leg and his tail wagging :roll: he got lifted up and got lots of scratches ... he has me so well trained! :lol: :lol:

In the last few days, he has taken to crying and getting a little bit distressed if someone leaves the house - I had to get up to him after 6 the other morning when the OH left for work, and the same this afternoon went OH left, once he heard the front door closing, he was up at the kitchen door, pawing at it and whimpering. No amount of me calling him or trying to cajole him worked - it was only when I got up to go to the other side of the room that got his attention, but he was still unsettled. Had the same reaction to my younger brother going home after being here for a few hours last week. Not sure how to best work this, as OH works shifts, so his leaving is literally all over the place, plus him doing errands as I can't cuz I can't leave the doggie! (It a good excuse as well! :lol: )

Two final slightly more random/unrelated points:
1) why does the forum star out (**) the word t i l t and part of kitchen?? :lol:
2) Is there a part of this forum for people who have done the VSA? I've had so many questions about behaviour and training (and the whys and why nots) even before Charlie became a Tri-Pawed, that I am very strongly thinking about doing the UK course in June this year, but I have a few questions/queries and would love to be able to chat to others who either are trainers or have done the program. (I want to do it so badly, but the cost would kinda wipe out a lot of our savings, and so I don't just wana do it on a whim, I want to make sure that it will be the best investment of our money - I'm currently a 26 year old part qualified accountant (degree, with no professional exams), with little/no experience in it, so thinking this could be the opportunity/career I've been waiting on).

Oh and massive thanks emmabeth, now I can't wait for him to get older and more doppy and more crazy!
when he is a silly teenage lurcher and tries to do more than he really can (he will. teenage lurchers are idiots).
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: he's a big enough idiot now! :roll: (but he's my idiot, so it's ok <3 :D )

Even with just a few posts, I already feel like part of this big crazy family of dog lovers! :D xxx
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Aww, thank you for the photos - I love seeing his legs getting longer and lurcherier :lol:

'Kitchen' is censored because a while back we had a rash of spammers trying to sell kitchens ALL OVER the forum, and the more the term appeared, the more it attracted new spammers. '*****' is similarly censored not because it can be a rude word but it also attracted spammers who wanted to advertise something a whole lot more unsavoury than kitchens, but not in a good way :shock: I'm wondering if we actually need to do that now, as new members are now vetted before being approved. (Emmabeth, what do you think?)

Tilt, I suspect you misspelt - I thought maybe you left out the l but the number of asterisks is wrong. I'm now trying and failing to think of a rude word that is spelt a bit like 'tilt' :lol:

As for the other questions - dunno, but I guess as you allow him to get off your lap whenever he wants you don't need to worry about the yawning. Hopefully he'll get to be less concerned when people leave the house. Thinking back, Jasper used to cry all the time I was in the bath even when OH was home (J couldn't come in the bathroom because that was the cat's domain).

I love how you're so positive about doing the best for him in the future rather than dwelling on the traumatic start he, and you have had - kudos!
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It might have been tips (t i p s) I had written - oh well - I'm just nosey! :lol:

Life has taught me that is doesn't do any good to stress over or dwell on things I can't change. Sometimes it is easier said than done, but when it comes to things like his - I find it easy enough to just go with it! That being said the 17 days he was in the vet were horrible. Cuz he went in for a routine operation to set his leg and home within less than a week, as everyone though and every day when I rang for the update, it was a few more days and then he will be home. I literally done nothing for the entire time except sit and wait for news and watch TV to keep my mind occupied so I couldn't think of the possibilities. But now he is home, minus a leg, and we just gotta go forward, no amount of worrying or being sad about it will bring his leg back. And I'm glad it happened while he was so young - he has just adapted to it :D A lady posted an amputee pet group on Facebook on another post here and we all update each other regularly on how we are doing and share tips - and I feel so lucky with how well Charlie has adapted, some of the others aren't walking much or struggling with pain/wounds/phantom pains, and the dog not eating/sleeping right - Charlie is just acting like I imagine any crazy puppy does, pees where he pleases :roll: and runs around like the devil! :lol: (bar him not realising that he can't scratch his left ear - his little stump will wiggle away, and once it stops I usually go and scratch his ears for him! I'm not a sucker, I swear! :lol: )

I re-hung the "potty bells" I had got him (we had to take them down in his first biting faze as he just hung off them!) and he has had a lot of fun once he realised that when they make noise, I get up and let him out - he literally goes out, does a full speed lap of the tiny bit of yard inside the fence (like 2m x 3ms!) and then sits down and looks at me - I swear he's giggling when he does it! :lol:

When we first took him to our Vet for his jabs, the vet was all like, "so he's a collie" and I couldn't understand how he couldn't see the lurcher/greyhound in him. I have relatives who rescue retired greyhounds, so I recognised his little slim waist and butt, wee narrow nose and his stupidly long legs!! But it is only when you look back at the photos that I realised how big he has gotten! He's a monster now compared to the little floof ball we first took home! And according to my random online searching about lurchers and collies, he will at least double in size by the time he is 6 months and then that should be him full sized!
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It could be interesting in a few months when he tries to lift his leg for the first time... actually I did read of a tripod lurcher called Tip who did just that :lol:
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Oh heavens! I hadn't thought of that!! :lol: :lol: It is something he will probably try and he used to do this weird thing where he would lift one leg to start scratching while walking along, and then promptly loose his balance, fall over and just lie there and scratch his ears! :lol: :lol: Life is not gona be boring with him around!! :D :D xxx
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Glad you feel at home here, that's what we aim for - get comfy on the sofa and pass round the biscuits!

I would given his traumatic history recently, let him sleep where he likes even if that is up with you - work out a way of stopping him galloping up and down stairs of course, but right now, him feeling secure and confident is more important than 'start as you mean to go on' type rules.

If he is genuinely happy to go to bed in the kitchen at night, thats fine, if you can give him the choice to come up to you in the morning to avoid that morning unsettledness, that would help - because being frustrated or anxious at being trapped or separated from you is not going to help him at all at this point. (I may have misunderstood this bit so forgive if I have!)..

For when people leave I would be pairing that with really awesome things but go carefully... the person needs to leave THEN he gets something great becuase if you give him the good thing first... ie, treat - someone leaves, then you can turn the treat into an aversive! I once had a client whose dog was tricked with bowls of food, they put a bowl down in the kitchen, he went to eat it, they left - very quickly he would run AWAY from the food to the front door and would freak out even at his normal meal times (And he was a lab x so, to make food aversive for a labrador you really have to be causing some distress!).

A snuffle mat might be good here - when your OH leaves, you then present him with a snuffle mat to rummage about in and find tasty bits.. http://www.chrysalis-k9.co.uk/product/h ... treat-mat/

Then we can teach him how to cope with being a little bit frustrated or at things not going entirely his way later on, as he has more confidence and more resilience.

Yawning - yes, you are right it can be a sign of stress or being a bit uncomfy with whats happening, or he could just want to stretch all of himself out after a snuggle. Let him guide you and your instincts are pretty good too!

Work out ways of testing consent for stuff like cuddles - for example my GBGV ***** puts her paws up on me for fuss but also if she wants up for a cuddle - to check if she DOES want a cuddle I put my hands under her armpits to lift her, if she does a little hop and hitches her back legs up it means 'yes lift me' and if she doesn't then she doesnt want up, just fuss (or to tell me something v important about the merits of sharing my food with her!).
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Sorry I wrote that reply HOURS ago then got sidetracked by my *insert insult here* sister who INSISTS on ringing me multiple times a day to ask inane questions... apparently the fact I am home is synonymous with 'sat about doing nothing waiting for her to call'... I digress!

Yes I will go and see if I can remember how to edit the rudey words list, good point Judy!
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Ref: the study - I am a professional behaviour trainer and it is my opinion that you would get more at this stage by reading reading reading (we have a recommended list) read very critically because not all behaviour books are right about things, and make sure you get to read MODERN books because the older ones have some outdated ideas (such as alpha, pack and dominance) which have been proven to be incorrect but are still very appealing to the human mindset. You need to read those books too, because your clients will have read them and may be doing exactly the wrong things. Go to seminars when you can afford it, and don't swallow everything you hear, but be critical and analytical (Emmabeth and I had some terrific evening debrief sessions on a course we both went on, didn't we, Emms? :lol: )

Spend time watching dogs when out and about, and how they connect, and more importantly, don't connect, with their people.

If you ever want to go into this on a professional basis, the best time investment you can spend is studying human psychology and interactive skills, because you will be teaching people. The dogs are straightforward: the humans anything but. Much - but not all - unwanted dog behaviour is due to human misunderstanding. Also research breed traits because genetics plays a huge part in behaviour.

Later when you have more disposable income, you can attend courses by different behaviour trainers, because nobody is right all the time, ideas and philosophies change, and by then you will have actual experience against which to match theory.

Even if you are not intending to be a professional, dog behaviour is a fascinating study and the more you do, the more you'll want to. But never be afraid to challenge anythuing that doesn't sit well with you - some of the dog behaviour gods are awesomely wrong in some of their theories.
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Re: Training my Tri-Pawed Puppy!

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Emma, at present we are sleeping in what is technically the second reception room, which has double doors off our kitchen/dining room (we only moved in in Jan and it was easier to decorate the downstairs first so we could get out of the rented place asap!) so one of the double doors is open, and his pen is against it - which also stops him being able to get through the open door during the day. I am hoping to reintroduce his crate for sleeping soon (it had to go away as he got caught in it with his cone on), and then when we move upstairs to the actual master bedroom, we can take his crate up with us.

He is normally up around 7am, goes to the loo, then has breakfast, back out for a wee and a poop and then he goes for a nap, and for a few mornings we took him in with us cuz we were both too tired to be awake! When OH works the late shift, I tend to stay up til he comes in and then by the time we chat and then go to bed, it can be 1am or later! Gona have to stop staying up, cuz when I hear Charlie moving around before 7am, I am ready to kill him! :lol:

I finished a square box of tissues yesterday so I tore out the plastic bit and basically sprinkled his dry kibble among two dry face clothes and folded them up inside each other and put them into the box - so that was how he got his lunch yesterday - it took him like 5 minutes to eat it instead of like 30 seconds to scoff it from the bowl!! But then he chewed up the tissue box (and ate some it would seem) so there was the end of that game! :roll: We have locally made toys here call K9 Connectables https://www.k9connectables.com/ basically a version of Kongs, but they can attach together, etc and while he can't break them apart yet, I stuffed them yesterday with a variety of mashed banana, soaked kibble, dry kibble and apple and gave him all 5 bits outside for his dinner and he chased them around the little bit we have fence off immediately outside the back door (like 2m x 3m). He doesn't seem to be quite so distressed in this last 24 hours with someone leaving, he still goes over an sniffs the door as if hes trying to check if they are out there, but I called him over and gave him a fuss and he was happy to just potter about!

I think he has me sussed on the cuddles - he knows I can't lift him when he fully sits down, so he literally leaves his butt an inch off the ground, meaning I can pop one hand under his ribs and one hand under his butt and literally scope him up, and as soon as he has had enough (or when I stop scratching/petting him) there is no stopping him, he becomes like a wriggly worm - and its either set him down, or he will dive off head first! Typing this one handed now cuz he's on my knee! :lol: :lol: He clearly very tired, but wont stay a lying down long enough to sleep so I'll let him have a little snuggle first! His little heavy eyes :D

I hear ya on the "at home = doing nothing" - my mum works from home and so it is just assumed that cuz she "does nothing" she can take my granda to all his hospital appointments, etc, and I'm at home for the mean time now too, as I had hip surgery myself in Jan passed and so I still need to sit and rest in between doing things and mum (of all people!) will still ring me and be like so what did you do today? Spend most of the day watching the crazy dog, while trying not to let him see me watching him! It is also lovely how the dog motivated me to push myself - when I don't think I can stand any longer, he will want to go out or will want to play, and lo and behold, I can do more! :D

I will definitely be looking into reading more about everything doggie! And I totally understand the bit about dealing with the humans is the tricky bit. We tried to get the trainer in as early as possible for Charlie (and us) so that we were basically starting from scratch rather than trying to undo behaviours. But even down to the way she told us his food (Royal Canin Gastrointestinal Puppy - which was recommended by the rescue shelter vet due to all the puppies upset tummies) was causing him to be majorly hyper! (He's on the same food now and he's less crazy cuz he's that little bit older!) She seemed too keen to tell us what all we were doing wrong - and while I am quite defensive of my actions by nature, I was more confused - like yea, we know we are doing things wrong - that is why we called you to help us, not tell us off like a parent tells off a child! But enough about her, we know more than enough to know her knowledge/methods are questionable at best :roll: I have a few books here already on puppy training, including one of Victoria's, but I put them all out of sight when Charlie went into the Vet has it broke my heart - I was afraid to keep reading (and hoping) in case they said the break was too bad, put him down! :cry: Now I can't remember where they are! :lol: Maybe that is my hint to get off this and go tidy up the house a bit! Definitely gona have a cuppa first!

Thanks girls for all the advice so far! :D
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Re: Training my Tri-Pawed Puppy!

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My dog will still follow me round the house on occasion - not if I'm just going to the loo, say, but he's been in my study with me all morning, shifted into the conservatory when I had my lunch out there, and has now come back in here with me. But it's not because he can't stand being apart from me, it's just that all other things being equal, he'd rather be where I am. If the sun's on the sofa in the front room he'll be in there, and he'll usually toddle off up to bed on his own at some point in the evening.

So the point is, even if he's at your heels the whole time now, following you around the house isn't necessarily a problem, and being able to choose to be with you will in the long run make him more secure, not less.

Even the good behaviourists I used said silly things at times, like he should ring a bell to ask to go out rather than bark. Being a lurcher, he's not prone to barking unnecessarily (different crosses with barkier breeds may be different), so his bark to go out was a definite learnt signal, as much as ringing a bell would have been.
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Re: Training my Tri-Pawed Puppy!

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We did get the bells for the door, but only just his toileting was literally everywhere around the kitchen, but when we first put them up, all he wanted to do was play tug-a-war with them, so we had to take them down. In the last week, he had started sitting beside the back door, but from where I would be sitting, I couldn't see him, so dug out the bells and hung them again and he seems to be slowly getting the idea that when he rings them the door gets opened. But he will ring them bells and then almost giggle when I get up and go over to him! :roll:

I totally get what you mean about the barking, or lack thereof! Charlie might bark once a day, maybe? He is much more likely to literally cry or just make strange little noises :lol: :lol: A girl I know can get her lurcher to bark when she says "talk" - how do you do that? :lol:
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